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Captain Starlet
Captain Starlet
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Re: something else to sign
Jan 30, 2017, 22:53
Sin Agog wrote:
We joined in 1973 and voted to remain in the first nationwide referendum shortly afterwards in 1975, so we pretty much did vote to join the EU.


What he said!

Amazing so many 'experts' are so adept at cherry picking history!
Rhiannon
5291 posts

Re: something else to sign
Jan 30, 2017, 22:54
67% in favour apparently, a bit more decisive.

Or perhaps there are alternative facts eh.
tjj
tjj
3604 posts

Edited Jan 31, 2017, 17:47
Re: something else to sign
Jan 31, 2017, 17:44
Rhiannon wrote:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928
no state visit from Trump. watch that counter shoot up.


Now going to be debated in Parliament on 20th Feb. Meanwhile this fairly restrained but witty article by Grace Dent in Guardian made me smile.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-trump-state-visit-travel-ban-the-queen-theresa-may-protest-a7553486.html?cmpid=facebook-post

The Big Orange One is welcome to book in, at his own expense, at the Mandarin Oriental in Hyde Park and have as many dismal little meetings with Prime Minister May over the “special relationship” as they so wish. But allowing him a state visit not merely communicates that Britain admires him, but furthermore suggests that any reported revulsion we have is “fake news” purported by failing news groups.
It’s very hard to refute a picture of Trump holding hands with the Queen. Bring me my banner. If he’s coming, let’s give him a welcome.
thesweetcheat
thesweetcheat
6130 posts

A nation of signwriters
Jan 31, 2017, 18:44
If nothing else I think we have a great future in this country as manufacturers of clever/amusing/very sweary placards. The Scots in particular seem to be very good at this.

My favourite from last night (it made me laugh anyway):

https://twitter.com/TechnicallyRon/status/826160828747481089/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Lots of others here:

http://metro.co.uk/2017/01/31/the-most-british-protest-placards-from-anti-trump-demonstrations-6416663/
Markoid
Markoid
1621 posts

Edited Jan 31, 2017, 19:23
Re: something else to sign
Jan 31, 2017, 19:21
Rhiannon wrote:
67% in favour apparently, a bit more decisive.

Or perhaps there are alternative facts eh.



33% of HH subsbribers are complete morons.
thesweetcheat
thesweetcheat
6130 posts

Kenneth Clarke on Alice in Wonderland
Jan 31, 2017, 19:33
http://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/fe6bc3c9-5d0b-4808-ba0b-8ce9c08475c1?in=13:25:48&out=13:42:15:0020170201
sanshee
sanshee
1080 posts

Re: It seems to me
Jan 31, 2017, 22:03
http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-4b38-Corbyn-can-heal-Britains-Brexit-divide#.WJEETuRvjcs


Corbyn has infuriated me at times, but I see what he's up against.
More creeps around him using Brexit as another excuse to oust him.
Nothing more.
Only this article explains why that's not so swift of them to try to do so.
I don't understand the love for the EU.
People were cheering Greece for their anti-austerity stance and that very austerity was being imposed by the EU, but many of the same people cheerlead the EU anyways.
Hell the EU even punished the Greek govt for awarding their pensioners Xmas bonuses.
https://euobserver.com/economic/136278
The chief Brexit negotiator in Brussels was speaking to Matt Frei on LBC today, expressing his desire for the EU to arrive at a point of no longer having to consult any of those other member states at all. Actually saying they 'get in the way'.
You can listen to it if you want.
I have always maintained, no one in the UK will vote for a govt hell bent on rescinding workers rights, and no one will tolerate EU nationals being kicked out.
Well on the last point I am sure a few would want that, but the majority, not a chance.
And we really need to stop the lazy rhetoric around the motives of 'leave voters'.
Markoid
Markoid
1621 posts

Edited Jan 31, 2017, 22:22
Re: It seems to me
Jan 31, 2017, 22:21
I think I said earlier. Kenneth Clarke is the only Tory I respect. Not Laura!
IanB
IanB
6761 posts

Edited Feb 01, 2017, 12:30
Re: It seems to me
Feb 01, 2017, 07:01
sanshee wrote:

http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-4b38-Corbyn-can-heal-Britains-Brexit-divide#.WJEETuRvjcs

Corbyn has infuriated me at times, but I see what he's up against.
More creeps around him using Brexit as another excuse to oust him.
Nothing more.
Only this article explains why that's not so swift of them to try to do so.
I don't understand the love for the EU.
People were cheering Greece for their anti-austerity stance and that very austerity was being imposed by the EU, but many of the same people cheerlead the EU anyways.
Hell the EU even punished the Greek govt for awarding their pensioners Xmas bonuses.
https://euobserver.com/economic/136278


That may be because a) people don't know what the ECB is and what it does and b) the story (as told in the UK) focused more on it being a problem of conditions imposed by the IMF and by individual nation state creditors (primarily Germany) rather than the EU as a political collective. The Greeks being vitriolic about the EU's role was reported but there was little commentary from UK media that painted Syriza in a good light while the Germans were made to look like heartless bullies. Don't remember the debts to France and Spain (and their positions) ever being mentioned. Let alone Ireland, Italy and the other potential candidates for having billions in funny money showered over their economy.

I expect that with the Brexit vote a year away Cameron decided it best to keep shtum on one of those rare stories that made EU scpetics on both sides of the spectrum happy - "Commies given billions of YOUR money to sit on their arses" OR "heartless technocrats and free market loons punish innocent victims of ruling class corruption". Cameron decided it best to make noises about governments having to pay their way unlike evil Labour etc etc.

Lest we forget that the only British MPs to show up regularly to pro Greece events in London that summer were Corbyn, Abbott and Lucas. Plus Owen Jones of course. No unanimity of approach on the EU among that cast list.

So yes I found it mystifying too but then again, despite the creation of economic punishment battalions within the EU, I voted "remain" on the basis that I wasn't in the business of giving succor to racists and racism-lite blood and soil types. Like the pro Brexit people happy to take any risk with the economy to stay in I was happy to take any risk with the EU's instincts towards Federalism in order to put a final nail in UKIP's serial deposit-losing coffin. The poorer members of society are always at the mercy of a ruling class whatever the -ism. It's the nature of capitalism itself. Demolishing the EU takes us nowhere nearer to fixing that problem. It actually takes us further away. Also people being put on trains, boats and planes to face God knows what fate (which is now far more likely to happen than not and has already been happening on a small scale) tends to be more the specialisation of those who hate the hardest and those who hated the hardest certainly won the referendum day whatever gloss you would prefer to put on it.
Rhiannon
5291 posts

Re: It seems to me
Feb 01, 2017, 08:08
"no one in the UK will vote for a govt hell bent on rescinding workers rights"

You've heard of the Trade Union Bill and how the government had to make various u-turns before it could be made an Act?
https://www.ft.com/content/5981462e-02fd-11e6-af1d-c47326021344

And the whole tory mentality of cutting red tape erodes worker safety rights that have been hard fought for.

And what about the cuts to legal support so workers can't take companies to court over unfair dismissal

taking away in work benefits to those on low incomes

I could go on
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