Merrick
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Re: third reason for the thread
Apr 10, 2009, 14:19
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The thing is, there *are* things that can be said in common of the police that don't apply to the comparisons made on the thread, such as 'all muslims are terrorists'.
To be a police officer is to say that you should be put in a privileged position, that you will use whatever force it takes to enforce the laws handed down to you.
As I've already said, on the assumption that the people making laws aren't infallible and don't act on altruistic motives, that's dubious. To do it irrespective of your own feelings, and irrespective of whether the law does more harm than good is simply moral bankruptcy.
There are undoubtedly some good people in the police force, but they are compelled by their role to hang up their morals when ordered.
If they would at least stick to their duty - to uphold the law without fear or favour using the minimum force required, and to report colleagues who fail to do so - it would be a start.
In the case in point, that would mean hundreds of officers turning themselves in after the G20. Yet only four have done so over the Ian Tomlinson attack (even though there are more than that in shot), and it seems none have done for any other incident elsewhere. That is a damning indictment of every officer (but four) who saw or used excessive force on that day.
As I said earlier, I really used to do all the dialogue thing with them, but I've been worn down by the endless brutality, double standards, the petulant response to anything that disobeys them, the non-existance of the correct response as outlined above, the commitment to upholding their authority instead of the law, let alone justice.
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Jim Tones
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Re: An Apology To Mr Tones and Mr Clarkson
Apr 10, 2009, 15:25
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Jim Tones wrote: If we were all in a pub somewhere, then everyone would be laughing and joking together-
hmmm......maybe not after all!
LOL!
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dave clarkson
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Edited Apr 10, 2009, 15:36
Re: third reason for the thread
Apr 10, 2009, 15:26
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"To be a police officer is to say that you should be put in a privileged position, that you will use whatever force it takes to enforce the laws handed down to you."
I agree but I don't think we'll ever see a great sea change in policing in the politically shifting moderate nature of election in the UK (labour - tory - labour - tory - ad infinitum).
I would hope to see in future that there is an increase in accountability, both in tactics and bringing bad policing to justice. I have met police officers who truly support radical change in the force even though they are still enforcing current policies. This may seem hypocritical and immoral but I'd say there's a great deal of us who do things we don't always agree on in our working lives but we seek to challenge and improve. The only alternative I think is self sufficiently living outside the system but how many of us do that without being beholdent or responsible to someone who is within it?
8)
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Squid Tempest
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Re: An Apology To Mr Tones and Mr Clarkson
Apr 10, 2009, 17:07
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Nah, I agree - a pint and a bag of cheese and onion would help immensely!
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Jim Tones
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Re: An Apology To Mr Tones and Mr Clarkson
Apr 10, 2009, 17:12
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Squid Tempest wrote: Nah, I agree - a pint and a bag of cheese and onion would help immensely!
Fill thy boots mon Squidling!
http://pictures.directnews.co.uk/liveimages/Crisps_1455_19059724_0_0_7028977_300.jpg
;-)
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