nigelswift
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Re: Glastonbury resident antiquarians and festival,.
Aug 01, 2013, 09:31
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Astralcat wrote:
But in my experience and to my mind they ARE. They are MY personal facts. Maybe not yours. some of yours are not mine. Isn't that allowed ?
Personal facts aren't facts they are personal beliefs.
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Astralcat
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Re: Glastonbury resident antiquarians and festival,.
Aug 01, 2013, 09:31
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How is that an insult ? It's an opinion.
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Astralcat
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Re: Glastonbury resident antiquarians and festival,.
Aug 01, 2013, 09:33
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Mustard wrote: Astralcat wrote: Mustard wrote: Astralcat wrote: Mustard wrote: tjj wrote: Stop shouting, I heard you. I didn't miss anything 'my friend' wrote - so he's passionate about what he believes. I believe he is quite young (compared to me anyway). I don't like to see good people ridiculed - and you clearly don't like being challenged do you - batting words like sanctimonious around has no effect on me whatsoever. Just because you said it doesn't make it fact - its just your opinion.
I don;'t mind being challenged at all. What I object to is being challenged by someone who seems to have totally missed the point. Your friend hasn't been ridiculed, and nobody has tried to tell him what to believe. He's simply been pulled up for repeatedly and doggedly asserting that such beliefs are facts.
And indeed, I personally feel that your previous post (and this one) have a sanctimonious tone. That's my opinion. I wouldn't dream of suggesting it's a fact ;)
But in my experience and to my mind they ARE. They are MY personal facts. Maybe not yours. some of yours are not mine. Isn't that allowed ?
You're moving the goal posts. Clearly if you have experienced something, then that experience is real. But that is not the same thing as extrapolating from that a factual statement such as "the tor is a chakra", because that "fact" would then apply to everyone. So unless you can prove that the tor is a chakra, then that isn't a fact - it's an opinion, a feeling, or a personal belief.
Of course it's all of these, and to me, it's also a 'personal fact', through personal experience ? What on earth is wrong with that ? I'm not saying it has to be your fact, nor yours mine. I don't see the problem.
A "personal fact" is a belief. Are you're now saying "I BELIEVE the tor is a chakra", rather than "the tor IS a chakra"?
Beliefs are fine. Nobody is arguing with that. It's asserting those beliefs as facts that causes problems.
No. I'm saying the Tor is a chakra. This is my experience and so my fact.
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Astralcat
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Re: Glastonbury resident antiquarians and festival,.
Aug 01, 2013, 09:35
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nigelswift wrote: Astralcat wrote:
But in my experience and to my mind they ARE. They are MY personal facts. Maybe not yours. some of yours are not mine. Isn't that allowed ?
Personal facts aren't facts they are personal beliefs.
If it's something I have experienced it is a personal fact.
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nigelswift
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Re: Glastonbury resident antiquarians and festival,.
Aug 01, 2013, 09:47
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So what exactly goes through your mind if someone says there's a goblin in the airing cupboard? "Open the door and let's see him" or "no need to open the door"?
The point I'm making is that swapping personal facts (or beliefs as we call them down our way) is pointless - especially on a forum and especially if they are presented as facts not personal facts.
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nigelswift
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Re: Glastonbury resident antiquarians and festival,.
Aug 01, 2013, 09:50
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Astralcat wrote: nigelswift wrote: Astralcat wrote:
But in my experience and to my mind they ARE. They are MY personal facts. Maybe not yours. some of yours are not mine. Isn't that allowed ?
Personal facts aren't facts they are personal beliefs.
If it's something I have experienced it is a personal fact.
Yes it is. A personal fact, which, since it's personal to you, not me, is a personal belief not a fact.
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Mustard
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Re: Glastonbury resident antiquarians and festival,.
Aug 01, 2013, 09:54
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Astralcat wrote:
No. I'm saying the Tor is a chakra. This is my experience and so my fact.
The tor isn't a chakra. That's my experience, and so it's a fact ;)
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Mustard
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Re: Glastonbury resident antiquarians and festival,.
Aug 01, 2013, 09:56
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Astralcat wrote: nigelswift wrote: Astralcat wrote:
But in my experience and to my mind they ARE. They are MY personal facts. Maybe not yours. some of yours are not mine. Isn't that allowed ?
Personal facts aren't facts they are personal beliefs.
If it's something I have experienced it is a personal fact.
So would you care to clarify the difference between a "personal fact" and an actual fact?
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Astralcat
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Re: Glastonbury resident antiquarians and festival,.
Aug 01, 2013, 09:58
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Mustard wrote: Astralcat wrote:
No. I'm saying the Tor is a chakra. This is my experience and so my fact.
The tor isn't a chakra. That's my experience, and so it's a fact ;)
I wouldn't argue with that. That would be your experience and therefore your fact, whereas for me, my experience and therefore personal fact would be that it is. I think it's more of a philosophical issue really.
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Astralcat
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Re: Glastonbury resident antiquarians and festival,.
Aug 01, 2013, 10:00
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I have experienced paranormal phenomena, especially in childhood, as did other family members and friends etc, some previously highly cynical. To all involved they were factual experiences.
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