tiompan
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Re: Britain Begins - Barry Cunliffe
Dec 29, 2012, 16:22
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tjj wrote: tiompan wrote: thesweetcheat wrote: It sounds as though an up to date book or paper refuting the Oppenheimer findings is needed. Anything you could recommend for the general reader (apologies if you've mentioned such a thing elsewhere)?
I've mentioned this a couple of times ,it's 5 years old ,a long time ago in this game but still relevant and not too technical .
http://www.jogg.info/32/campbell.htm
Oppenheimer and Sykes are rarely mentioned these days ,unless it's in negative terms about the early days of the research . Because of the rate of change in info books are few and far between, part of the problem with O and S was that as soon their books were out papers had refuted them with new info . O and S could be likened to early antiquarians attempting to date monuments and coming up with druid altars and Mycenaean temples , possibly a bit extreme but you get the idea .
It's nearly all papers, the archaeo stuff is limited but, the snippets keep coming . The amateur experts are also providing important findings , this is due to punters getting their DNA done and investigating similar findings to their own with the freely available info on genome sequences , which has resulted in new discoveries of branches of particular haplotypes that would have usually been the work of the pros .
Very helpful! Thanks T, its a shame this doesn't have its own discussion thread though. I actually have Stephen Oppenheimer's 'Out of Eden' on extended loan from the library. Was saving it until I had more time to sit down and read it properly - will now do so with some reservation. I'd love to own the Barry Cunliffe book as, since seeing his work at Danebury, have the greatest respect for him as an archaeologist.
" Out of eden " , possibly because it is a much broader canvas didn't get the same criticism ,although it has to be said that there are plenty of sceptical voices about the OOA hypothesis. Maybe in in twenty years it will be a bit clearer ,early days .
Yes , Cunliffe is very good , I'm sure you'd enjoy the book .
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tiompan
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Re: Deconstructing Oppenheimer
Dec 30, 2012, 11:08
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tiompan wrote:
just as relevant but not much content .
http://www.worldfamilies.net/forum/index.php?topic=11794.0
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moss
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Re: Deconstructing Oppenheimer
Dec 30, 2012, 12:36
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tiompan wrote:
Just to say thank you for reuniting me with someone I used to read quite a lot on Bath history, Jean M suddenly rang a bell, nothing to do with Oppenheimer of course but she is already bookmarked.....
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tiompan
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Edited Dec 30, 2012, 12:46
Re: Deconstructing Oppenheimer
Dec 30, 2012, 12:43
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moss wrote: tiompan wrote:
Just to say thank you for reuniting me with someone I used to read quite a lot on Bath history, Jean M suddenly rang a bell, nothing to do with Oppenheimer of course but she is already bookmarked.....
As an ex Bathonian Jean's non genetic stuff has always been of interest .
She has a book conming out (archaeogenetics ish ) late next year which should be interesting .
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tjj
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Edited Dec 30, 2012, 21:56
Re: Britain Begins - Barry Cunliffe
Dec 30, 2012, 21:51
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thesweetcheat wrote: tjj wrote: I'd love to own the Barry Cunliffe book as, since seeing his work at Danebury, have the greatest respect for him as an archaeologist.
I think it will be worth the read, as Tiompan says, the genetics aspect is very small as a percentage of the overall book and there's no doubting the author's expertise in more "pure" archaeology terms, especially on the Iron Age. Lovely picture of Castlerigg on the cover too :-)
It found its way into my Christmas stocking, so didn't have to fork out myself, but it's pretty reasonably priced for what it is. Can be found for under £20.00 on-line.
I went to Waterstones this afternoon and had a look at 'Britain Begins' - loved it instantly (beautiful cover photo). Baulked at the £30 cover price though - have just ordered it via Amazon from the Book Depository at sixteen squidders (plus postage).
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thesweetcheat
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Re: Britain Begins - Barry Cunliffe
Dec 30, 2012, 22:38
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Sounds like a bargain. I reckon you'll be pleased with it, from the flick throughs I've had so far.
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moss
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Edited Jan 08, 2013, 09:04
Re: Alisdair Writtle - The Harmony of Symbols....
Jan 08, 2013, 09:02
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These two books are probably not on the market, though 'classic' in terms of information.
1) Whittle, A., Pollard, J. and Grigson, C. 1999. The harmony of symbols: the Windmill Hill causewayed enclosure. Oxford: Oxbow Books. Gives the full and interesting account of the Alexander Keiller excavations (and other excavations) on Windmill Hill.
2) Sacred Mound, Holy Rings: Silbury Hill and the West Kennet Palisade Enclosures - A Later Neolithic Complex in North Wiltshire (Oxbow Monographs in Archaeology) [Paperback] A.Whittle with contributions by J.Best.. £46 quid on Amazon if you are not boycotting..
The causewayed enclosure at Windmill Hill was excavated by Alexander Keiller, and there are some fascinating insights into the bones found in the excavation, lost my copy sadly....
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Sanctuary
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Re: Alisdair Writtle - The Harmony of Symbols....
Jan 08, 2013, 09:11
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moss wrote:
The causewayed enclosure at Windmill Hill was excavated by Alexander Keiller, and there are some fascinating insights into the bones found in the excavation, lost my copy sadly....
Still got mine somewhere. Cost 5 shillings I recall :-)
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moss
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Re: Alisdair Writtle - The Harmony of Symbols....
Jan 08, 2013, 09:16
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will remain speechless unless I use asteriks! ;) if I remember one infant burial was placed carefully inside the skull of an oxen..
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Littlestone
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Re: Alisdair Writtle - The Harmony of Symbols....
Jan 08, 2013, 10:33
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Sanctuary wrote: moss wrote:
The causewayed enclosure at Windmill Hill was excavated by Alexander Keiller, and there are some fascinating insights into the bones found in the excavation, lost my copy sadly....
Still got mine somewhere. Cost 5 shillings I recall :-)
5 shillings! Bet you could get change out of a farthing back then and buy a bag of chips ;-) Can remember buying ice-creams with little silver thruppenny bits though...
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