IanB
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Edited May 07, 2008, 07:20
Re: NWOBHM
May 07, 2008, 07:09
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keith a wrote: machineryelf wrote:
My early dislike of punk was fuelled by their horrible attitude and blinkered vision that anything that didn't fit the punk mould was rubbish, this included The Ramones, Amon Duul 2 & the MC5.
I'm sure we were weren't the only ones like this. And I seem to remember that Thin Lizzy were one rock band that punks seemed to like.
As for Motorhead and AC/DC...they may have had a helping hand, but they weren't NWOBM surely, any more than Bob Marley had a helping hand from punk but clearly wasn't punk (oh alright, this isn't the best example I've ever come up with but it's late and I want to go to bed!!)
I guess what I'm trying to say is that although I'm not a major fan, there will always be a place in my heart for Ace Of Spades!
Nighty night! ; )
Thin Lizzy were the one straight ahead rock and roll band we were told it was ok to like because the band hung out boozing with the journalists and with the Pistols, Heartbreakers et al. I like a couple of the albums but muscially there's barely room to slip a plectrum between Lizzy and the Blues Rock that we were simultaneously being told was crap like Steve Gibbons, Frankie Miller and Quo.
You are right that AC/DC are deffo from the Blues Rock end of metal but Motorhead were one of those bands who ditched the Blues and Prog and went for it (with apologies) hell for leather. The first album is a corker though if they had been on a major rather than Chiswick they would never have been allowed to release such a bizarre sounding album.
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IanB
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Re: NWOBHM
May 07, 2008, 07:10
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Vybik Jon wrote: Nutz - definitely second division. It made no difference when they changed their name to Rage - an even worse name.
Ah well I liked 'em. And Dirty Tricks. And Stray. And Heavy Metal Kids.
You wouldn't happen to have a pristine copy of Firing On All Six would you? Would be really happy to trade a burn.
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Joolio Geordio
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Edited May 07, 2008, 07:32
Dirty Tricks
May 07, 2008, 07:32
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IanB wrote: Vybik Jon wrote: Nutz - definitely second division. It made no difference when they changed their name to Rage - an even worse name.
Ah well I liked 'em. And Dirty Tricks. And Stray. And Heavy Metal Kids.
You wouldn't happen to have a pristine copy of Firing On All Six would you? Would be really happy to trade a burn.
I think Dirty Tricks are doing the rounds as a Led Zeppelin tribute act these days - singer calls himself Robert Planet and the guitarist Jimmy Beige.
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redbarchetta
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Re: NWOBHM
May 07, 2008, 08:07
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I agree with most of Ian's points regarding NWOBHM.
Never fashionable, it rarely featured in the pages of Melody Maker and the NME, had minimal airplay and almost never graced the TV. Even to this day, it's unlikely you'll see any NWOBHM retrospectives on BBC4.
Which is a pity, because in its day, NWOBHM was pretty big and spawned a huge indie scene in its own right - small labels, fanzines, subculture etc. Indeed, one of the big players in the UK music indutry in recent years - Sanctuary - was initially banked by Iron Maiden.
As usual, it's punk which dominates the way the media in particular represents that era, but I think some serious historical revisionism is overdue here - the way in which music was heard, and music culture in the late 70's/eary 80's in general - is, as far as I'm concerned, radically different from the way we seem to choose to remember it.
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Vybik Jon
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Re: NWOBHM
May 07, 2008, 08:35
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I'm convinced.
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IanB
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Re: Dirty Tricks
May 07, 2008, 08:44
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Joolio Geordio wrote: IanB wrote: Vybik Jon wrote: Nutz - definitely second division. It made no difference when they changed their name to Rage - an even worse name.
Ah well I liked 'em. And Dirty Tricks. And Stray. And Heavy Metal Kids.
You wouldn't happen to have a pristine copy of Firing On All Six would you? Would be really happy to trade a burn.
I think Dirty Tricks are doing the rounds as a Led Zeppelin tribute act these days - singer calls himself Robert Planet and the guitarist Jimmy Beige.
Indeed. Tragic but better than driving a van.
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Vybik Jon
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Re: NWOBHM
May 07, 2008, 08:48
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Lemmy wanted Motorhead (nee Bastard) to be a five piece MC5 style outfit. That would have been a different path.
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IanB
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Edited May 07, 2008, 08:58
Re: NWOBHM
May 07, 2008, 08:57
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redbarchetta wrote:
I agree with most of Ian's points regarding NWOBHM.
Never fashionable, it rarely featured in the pages of Melody Maker and the NME, had minimal airplay and almost never graced the TV. Even to this day, it's unlikely you'll see any NWOBHM retrospectives on BBC4.
Which is a pity, because in its day, NWOBHM was pretty big and spawned a huge indie scene in its own right - small labels, fanzines, subculture etc. Indeed, one of the big players in the UK music indutry in recent years - Sanctuary - was initially banked by Iron Maiden.
As usual, it's punk which dominates the way the media in particular represents that era, but I think some serious historical revisionism is overdue here - the way in which music was heard, and music culture in the late 70's/eary 80's in general - is, as far as I'm concerned, radically different from the way we seem to choose to remember it.
I thank you.
It's because the people who wrote about Punk at the time or were fans became cultural commentators (Parsons, Burchill, Morley, Savage, Neil Spencer, Adam Sweeting, Charlie Murray, Mick Farren etc etc) and / or broadcasting figures in their own right (Elms, Ross et al) so they perpetuate the myth and on it goes. The same thing has happened with the Mondays / Roses thing. Miranda Sawyer will keep that old chestnut running for as long as she can put fingernail to keyboard.
Punk was brilliant. Punk was neccessary. Punk was essential. All true but it was not the whole story of music in the mid to late 70s.
If the NWOBHM bands had hailed from Chile or Japan or Slovenia there would be no small degree of pant-wetting going on.
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shanshee_allures
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Re: NWOBHM
May 07, 2008, 09:20
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IanB wrote:
If the NWOBHM bands had hailed from Chile or Japan or Slovenia there would be no small degree of pant-wetting going on.
Yeah, they'd also have to be called N.W.O.C.or.J.or.S.H.M too;-)
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IanB
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Edited May 07, 2008, 10:09
New Wave Of Soviet Heavy Metal?
May 07, 2008, 10:09
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shanshee_allures wrote: IanB wrote:
If the NWOBHM bands had hailed from Chile or Japan or Slovenia there would be no small degree of pant-wetting going on.
Yeah, they'd also have to be called N.W.O.C.or.J.or.S.H.M too;-)
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Like this perhaps?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUZzPpJExkQ
or even this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmAgR5efSqg
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