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nigelswift
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Trump screws planet, but....
Jun 02, 2017, 11:30
May merely "disappointed"

and Boris said (December 2015)
"It is fantastic news that the world has agreed to cut pollution and help people save money, but I am sure that those global leaders were driven by a primitive fear that the present ambient warm weather is somehow caused by humanity; and that fear – as far as I understand the science – is equally without foundation.”
dhajjieboy
913 posts

Re: Trump screws planet, but....
Jun 02, 2017, 14:18
As much as i dislike Mr. Trump, as usual, your smug is showing.
It would be so easy to flippantly 'blame' the USA or its current transitory leadership for the global climate/greenhouse gases that currently threaten all life on this planet.
But any honest look at the real root causes will come down to one incontrovertible fact....
Nearly 8 BILLION of us now....with no end in sight of rampant populace increase.
I'd note that the USA represents at most, 350 million of that number...but would it matter?
With at least half the arctic ice pack melted off in just the last 40 years, i'm pretty sure it won't be trump's particular fault, come what may.
But yeah, i get it....
It's the USA's fault....not 'our' fault.
tjj
tjj
3309 posts

Edited Jun 02, 2017, 18:26
Re: Trump screws planet, but....
Jun 02, 2017, 18:14
dhajjieboy wrote:
As much as i dislike Mr. Trump, as usual, your smug is showing.
It would be so easy to flippantly 'blame' the USA or its current transitory leadership for the global climate/greenhouse gases that currently threaten all life on this planet.
But any honest look at the real root causes will come down to one incontrovertible fact....
Nearly 8 BILLION of us now....with no end in sight of rampant populace increase.
I'd note that the USA represents at most, 350 million of that number...but would it matter?
With at least half the arctic ice pack melted off in just the last 40 years, i'm pretty sure it won't be trump's particular fault, come what may.
But yeah, i get it....
It's the USA's fault....not 'our' fault.


You are incorrect to call Nigel smug and I say that as someone who has had run-ins with him in the past (albeit a fading memory). Like him or not, he is a warrior on behalf of heritage and conservation at all levels.

I am at age when I have to look at my own carbon footprint as have spent years saying we should look at our own actions first. 'Smug alert' coming up ... I've never owned a car (although willing to be driven when the need arises) and yes, public transport is inconvenient at times. I rarely, though do occasionally, travel by plane - having made a conscious choice to explore the farthest flung reaches of the British Isles first (for many years I couldn't afford holidays - or vacations as you would call them). I've never owned a dishwasher or clothes drier and for several years now have declined hairdressers urgings to dye my hair because I care about what goes into the water table.

I'm not suggesting everyone in the United States should stop driving cars - but should be looking for real alternatives to fossil fuel. As should Europe, India, China and the countries of the southern hemisphere. Mr Trump is out of step with the rest of the world in a BIG way.

Teresa May is also out of step by not signing the letter of condemnation signed by 200 other countries - for fear of losing future trade deals. She is rapidly becoming a despised person in her own country. And Jeremy Corbyn the voice of Integrity.
nigelswift
7400 posts

Re: Trump screws planet, but....
Jun 02, 2017, 18:33
:) :)

"And Jeremy Corbyn the voice of Integrity."

Yes, more and more.
(I apologise for my brief dalliance with the Lib Dems!)
dhajjieboy
913 posts

Edited Jun 02, 2017, 22:00
Re: Trump screws planet, but....
Jun 02, 2017, 21:32
tjj wrote:
dhajjieboy wrote:
As much as i dislike Mr. Trump, as usual, your smug is showing.
It would be so easy to flippantly 'blame' the USA or its current transitory leadership for the global climate/greenhouse gases that currently threaten all life on this planet.
But any honest look at the real root causes will come down to one incontrovertible fact....
Nearly 8 BILLION of us now....with no end in sight of rampant populace increase.
I'd note that the USA represents at most, 350 million of that number...but would it matter?
With at least half the arctic ice pack melted off in just the last 40 years, i'm pretty sure it won't be trump's particular fault, come what may.
But yeah, i get it....
It's the USA's fault....not 'our' fault.


You are incorrect to call Nigel smug and I say that as someone who has had run-ins with him in the past (albeit a fading memory). Like him or not, he is a warrior on behalf of heritage and conservation at all levels.

I am at age when I have to look at my own carbon footprint as have spent years saying we should look at our own actions first. 'Smug alert' coming up ... I've never owned a car (although willing to be driven when the need arises) and yes, public transport is inconvenient at times. I rarely, though do occasionally, travel by plane - having made a conscious choice to explore the farthest flung reaches of the British Isles first (for many years I couldn't afford holidays - or vacations as you would call them). I've never owned a dishwasher or clothes drier and for several years now have declined hairdressers urgings to dye my hair because I care about what goes into the water table.

I'm not suggesting everyone in the United States should stop driving cars - but should be looking for real alternatives to fossil fuel. As should Europe, India, China and the countries of the southern hemisphere. Mr Trump is out of step with the rest of the world in a BIG way.

Teresa May is also out of step by not signing the letter of condemnation signed by 200 other countries - for fear of losing future trade deals. She is rapidly becoming a despised person in her own country. And Jeremy Corbyn the voice of Integrity.


It is smug for anyone these days to lay the current global warming on any one country or interim leader. {especially for cheap point scoring during the run-up to an election}
Were ALL responsible for it as a species...i knew that since at least the 1970's.
"Trump screws planet".....not hardly....its all been along time coming.
I too, am an advocate and financial supporter of wildlife thru my entire life...
My entire career contributes to the preservation and continuance of life.
Countless lives have been extended thru treatments for their respective cancers on systems that i have personally had a hand in servicing...
I sure am doing 'what the hell can be done'.....so no need to try 'trumping' one another with eco/conservation/historical-'warrior' status...

I am certain of 1 thing only...its not going to be any of the things that you do as an individual at this point. Its man-kind as a totality that must be addressed immediately. I have the privilege to set at the table surrounded by very learned minds on a regular basis....primarily physicists and M.D.s, whenever the subject has come up at the lunch table, its almost always the same lowest common denominator....way too many people. By at least 5 Billion now in all likelihood.

In all seriousness, i ask you....how the fuck are 'WE' going to fix that?
Because that is ultimately the only answer that even begins to address where we ALL stand at this precipitous time in OUR collective history.

I guarantee that finger pointing won't do one damn thing.
tjj
tjj
3309 posts

Re: Trump screws planet, but....
Jun 02, 2017, 22:31
dhajjieboy wrote:

It is smug for anyone these days to lay the current global warming on any one country or interim leader. {especially for cheap point scoring during the run-up to an election}
Were ALL responsible for it as a species...i knew that since at least the 1970's.
"Trump screws planet".....not hardly....its all been along time coming.
I too, am an advocate and financial supporter of wildlife thru my entire life...
My entire career contributes to the preservation and continuance of life.
Countless lives have been extended thru treatments for their respective cancers on systems that i have personally had a hand in servicing...
I sure am doing 'what the hell can be done'.....so no need to try 'trumping' one another with eco/conservation/historical-'warrior' status...

I am certain of 1 thing only...its not going to be any of the things that you do as an individual at this point. Its man-kind as a totality that must be addressed immediately. I have the privilege to set at the table surrounded by very learned minds on a regular basis....primarily physicists and M.D.s, whenever the subject has come up at the lunch table, its almost always the same lowest common denominator....way too many people. By at least 5 Billion now in all likelihood.

In all seriousness, i ask you....how the fuck are 'WE' going to fix that?
Because that is ultimately the only answer that even begins to address where we ALL stand at this precipitous time in OUR collective history.

I guarantee that finger pointing won't do one damn thing.


Actually the only 'finger pointing' going on is at President Trump for pulling out of the Paris Climate Change Agreement which 195 countries had signed up to for the reasons you mention. "In all seriousness, i ask you....how the fuck are 'WE' going to fix that?" All I can say in way of an answer is the President of the United States has basically just said Fuck You to the concept of a global effort to slow the process of global warming down.

https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2017/6/2/15723988/winners-losers-trump-paris

"As part of the Paris agreement, countries reaffirmed that they would give $100 billion over several years to the Green Climate Fund, to assist developing countries with their climate policy. In his speech, Trump not only made clear that the US is done with the fund but also mocked it. “The so-called green climate fund, nice name,” is “costing the United States a vast fortune,” he said.
Part of the point of the fund is to help the least developed countries most at risk of catastrophic global warming. And the threats to them are very real and very scary. Countries like Bangladesh, for instance, are looking at a major refugee crisis in the coming years as sea level rise displaces millions of people living in coastal flood zones.
And we’re not just talking about people having to leave their homes because climate change will make them inhospitable or make it impossible to grow food or find water. The World Bank estimates climate effects could push 100 million people worldwide into poverty over the next 15 years."
dhajjieboy
913 posts

Re: Trump screws planet, but....
Jun 02, 2017, 22:56
I will reiterate.. i do not agree with Trumps decision making policy.
The USA is only 4 and 1/2 percent of the worlds population....
Can you tell me what the cost burden to the United States is going to be as a member of the Paris accord?
Were only 20 plus Trillion dollars in debt at the moment.

What is going to happen in the next 15 years is completely inevitable....
When the Ganges has completely dried up, the mass exodus will be something along 1 and a half BILLION souls. I can easily predict that China won't except any of them.
'They' will be held back militarily.

As i said...its not about money anymore, its about staggering population overburden.
giNgko_C
giNgko_C
363 posts

Edited Jun 03, 2017, 00:07
Re: Trump screws planet, but....
Jun 03, 2017, 00:04
There is a FORTHE PLANET.

It is called disgorging the Earth of all radioactive material and sending it back to outside of the Heliosphere.

I know the Mormon faith is well on board with this given its obsession with the collection and appraisement of all DNA on Earth,

and multiple faiths on Earth believe that the removal of sin is one of the greater steps towards God.

Even Moses, when parting the red sea, knew that God would rather his man recognise sin, and make the Earth Holy again, than see his people suffer under a Sun God.

Shoot all radioactive material into space over the next 1000 years.

Hardly rocket science is it?
nigelswift
7400 posts

Re: Trump screws planet, but....
Jun 03, 2017, 09:12
June, let no-one decry your individual actions, whatever the future holds. Miniscule perhaps and of an effect none of us will be here to see but they are at least moral. What else can a human do but be moral? The actions of that pouting, preening coxcomb in the White House are truly immoral.
spencer
spencer
2843 posts

Re: Trump screws planet, but....
Jun 03, 2017, 09:36
...and that poll gap is closing....:)
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