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thispoison 253 posts |
Edited Oct 28, 2015, 21:32
Oct 28, 2015, 21:08
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The ABSTAINERS strike again. Even under Corbyn labour are a useless spineless shower of shite. I'm sure those affected by these cuts will be delighted that Osbourne & Co have been asked to go away and "think about", "revise", and "mitigate" these measures - rather than have them kicked out entirely. Less a Moltov Cocktail hurled into the dark heart of the Tory establishment than a tiny fart on a damp matchstick. |
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thesweetcheat 6213 posts |
Edited Oct 28, 2015, 21:52
Oct 28, 2015, 21:33
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EDIT: (previously posted voting from earlier round) Not sure how many Labour MPs abstained this time? The Commons passed the bill with a majority of 32. Do you have details of who (if any) abstained from Labour? Corbyn is running rings round Cameron at PMQs. Change will come, but it's going to take a bit of time after 30 years of moving everything to the right.
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Monganaut 2375 posts |
Oct 28, 2015, 22:06
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Forget the Lords, The tories will go out of their way to destroy any say or sway they have in the coming months, like the spoiled children they are. I fear the whole Labour party is still littered with bitter tory lite Blairites who wouldn't understand what the deleted claus 4 and proper socialism meant. Even if a 5 year old spelled it out to them in plain and simple english accompanied by cutesy little drawings. They strike me as a bunch of spoiled brats who only have their own interests at heart and have forgotten the wants and needs of the electorate who voted them into the positions of privilege that they strive to maintain. Cos' Corbyn 'won' the leadership race, and is hopefully steering the party into more traditional labour/socialist territories they are all gonna throw their toys out to show how unhappy they are with the result at any given opportunity instead of trying to make shit work, and the party a viable contender for power. Bunch of self interested tossers, plain and simple. What we should be asking, is how a bunch of millionaires get to call the shots on those poor unfortunates who don't currently earn a living wage, and rely on what are essentially hand outs, to top up their wages, cos' the people and companies they work for don't pay them enough to support their families in our economy. Those same people currently complaining about the welfare bill will all be doing their utmost to minimise their own tax footprint by 'clever' write off's and 'charitable' donations, or just plain off-shoring everything. Who are also the same millionaires claiming millions in tax payer money to fund a change of use from Olympic Stadium to Football venue (would you please stand up you vile wretch Karyn Brady, £175 million pounds is yours for the taking)to name but one of the parasites. Time to get French Revolution on their asses and bring out the guillotine methinks. I honestly think the tories are traitors to our nation. Selling us all short and bringing out the worst in the common man. Their policies amount to 'kick them when they are down' to keep them in they're place. Let's not forget that pretty much all of the 1% ers are counting the days till we all wise up and slaughter the lot of them. Trickle down theory, my arse! The tories really are the vilest of 'democratic' forces (lest we forget the fuckin' republicans). Self serving parasites the lot of them. I'd make it illegal to become an MP if you hadn't had some real life experience in the 'real' world, fascist that I am (not really :) How can someone (anyone) born of a golden quim, and propped up by mummy and daddy, brainwashed into the 'establishment' have ANY idea what it's like to strive to find or juggle money to pay a bill or rent or buy food. Whether to buy kids shoes or central heating. They have NO idea. These fucker's spend more on a meal than most people on benefits receive in a month. Of course, the(lazy, ill thought out, and obvious) argument would be that 'I'm Jealous' of their privilege and lifestyle. Let me assure, that is not the case at all. I just hate the idea of privilege of any kind. We should all be striving to help those less fortunate, or in some cases unable, to help themselves. With this lot in power, won't happen, ever, plain and simple. Don't even get me started on the idea of food banks in a so called 'thriving' 1st world Western economy. Phew!!! where the fuck did that come from? Must have been bottling it up for a while :( To paraphrase Mark Twain "Behind every great fortune, is a crime". Wise man was Mark!
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Toni Torino 2299 posts |
Oct 28, 2015, 22:43
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Monganaut wrote: Forget the Lords, The tories will go out of their way to destroy any say or sway they have in the coming months, like the spoiled children they are. I fear the whole Labour party is still littered with bitter tory lite Blairites who wouldn't understand what the deleted claus 4 and proper socialism meant. Even if a 5 year old spelled it out to them in plain and simple english accompanied by cutesy little drawings. They strike me as a bunch of spoiled brats who only have their own interests at heart and have forgotten the wants and needs of the electorate who voted them into the positions of privilege that they strive to maintain. Cos' Corbyn 'won' the leadership race, and is hopefully steering the party into more traditional labour/socialist territories they are all gonna throw their toys out to show how unhappy they are with the result at any given opportunity instead of trying to make shit work, and the party a viable contender for power. Bunch of self interested tossers, plain and simple. What we should be asking, is how a bunch of millionaires get to call the shots on those poor unfortunates who don't currently earn a living wage, and rely on what are essentially hand outs, to top up their wages, cos' the people and companies they work for don't pay them enough to support their families in our economy. Those same people currently complaining about the welfare bill will all be doing their utmost to minimise their own tax footprint by 'clever' write off's and 'charitable' donations, or just plain off-shoring everything. Who are also the same millionaires claiming millions in tax payer money to fund a change of use from Olympic Stadium to Football venue (would you please stand up you vile wretch Karyn Brady, £175 million pounds is yours for the taking)to name but one of the parasites. Time to get French Revolution on their asses and bring out the guillotine methinks. I honestly think the tories are traitors to our nation. Selling us all short and bringing out the worst in the common man. Their policies amount to 'kick them when they are down' to keep them in they're place. Let's not forget that pretty much all of the 1% ers are counting the days till we all wise up and slaughter the lot of them. Trickle down theory, my arse! The tories really are the vilest of 'democratic' forces (lest we forget the fuckin' republicans). Self serving parasites the lot of them. I'd make it illegal to become an MP if you hadn't had some real life experience in the 'real' world, fascist that I am (not really :) How can someone (anyone) born of a golden quim, and propped up by mummy and daddy, brainwashed into the 'establishment' have ANY idea what it's like to strive to find or juggle money to pay a bill or rent or buy food. Whether to buy kids shoes or central heating. They have NO idea. These fucker's spend more on a meal than most people on benefits receive in a month. Of course, the(lazy, ill thought out, and obvious) argument would be that 'I'm Jealous' of their privilege and lifestyle. Let me assure, that is not the case at all. I just hate the idea of privilege of any kind. We should all be striving to help those less fortunate, or in some cases unable, to help themselves. With this lot in power, won't happen, ever, plain and simple. Don't even get me started on the idea of food banks in a so called 'thriving' 1st world Western economy. Phew!!! where the fuck did that come from? Must have been bottling it up for a while :( To paraphrase Mark Twain "Behind every great fortune, is a crime". Wise man was Mark! Awesome post. Jason And The Argonauts quested the Golden Quim I believe.
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sanshee 1080 posts |
Oct 28, 2015, 22:59
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And the 56 chocolate teapots (or is it 55, given one of them is in the dog house regards dodgy property dealings) would rather there be no 2nd chamber at all let alone an elected one (as Labour proposed) so keen are they on procedural scrutiny. It's how they do it in the motherland after all.
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Monganaut 2375 posts |
Oct 29, 2015, 00:26
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Many thanks. That shit has been buzzing round my noggin' for some time now. Maybe I've exorcised my pent up frustrations and general feeling of helplessness over what to do about our shitty government has passed. Well till tomorrow anyhow. It seems to me that the idea of democracy and accountability is utter, utter bollox in the west. Once in power, these toe rags (new Labour included) do the utmost to push their slimy party manifestos over and above what would be deemed public good and common sense to the likes of you and me. Way back when, when our trusty governments were busy bailing out their banking buddies with our hard earned taxes, I half jokingly said that they'd do better to give everyone in the nation a 22 grand tax refund and tell everyone to spend it on whatever they bloody well liked, the proviso being, you gotta spend it, or loose it, to get the economy rolling. A naive idea I realise, but it's one I've seen one or two economists say pretty much the same thing about in recent years....it was a bad idea to bail out the banks. You cannot have perpetual growth, it's an impossibility. At some point markets are gonna meet a peak, become saturated, and fall off, but that's what successive post war governments have striven for. It's idiotic, and we end up with a situation where a very few people have more financial clout than a not so small African nation, and therefore find it very easy to have the ear of many a minister who is looking for a cushy chairmanship or directorship after leaving parliament. There must be a point where you have enough money to live beyond your wildest dreams, but this doesn't seem the case. Just like the Mike Douglas film Wall street espoused, in these psychopaths eyes 'greed is good'. In fact, the fascinating book by Jon Ronson 'The Psychopath Test' pretty much confirms what I've always suspected, many many people in positions of power, and particularly business 'leaders' are borderline, if not full on sociopaths/psychopaths. The lack of compassion and understanding, the single minded, goal driven, sell your own mom for a buck ideals of these people is abhorrent to me. The 'fuck you, I'm OK' culture has definitely come home to roost. I'm not a violent or hateful person by any stretch, but sometimes I feel I could quite happily shoot some of these fuckers plain in the face and feel no remorse at all, vile sons of bitches that they are. I really wouldn't piss on em' if they were on fire. Compassion is a foreign language to these assholes, and the less of them about the better. Also many have the cheek to claim to have made it off the skin of their own asses....delusional or what! The old boy network has never been stronger, and 'old money' still calls the shots. Osbourne seems to have a massive chip on his shoulder about his 'day boy' status at whatever shitty public school he went to, seems jealous he didn't get to fuck that metaphorical pigs head, and seems to be going out of his way to prove himself to his self perceived 'bullingdon betters' as a tough guy to do business with. There's a special kind of hell these fuckers have to look forward to, but it'll still be at our expense.
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Captain Starlet 1110 posts |
Oct 29, 2015, 13:40
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Really? Such as? I've not seen any news on this. Considering he's been leader for about 5 minutes I think you're expecting a bit much from him from a bunch of people who've been riding the blair gravy train for years. It takes a lot for people to do the right thing instead of maintaining the ennui
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IanB 6761 posts |
Edited Nov 01, 2015, 19:21
Oct 31, 2015, 08:01
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A delay makes the Tories look weak politically (and stupid given that it was avoidable) and forces a rethink that softens the policy and that's a start. If you were expecting Corbyn to start punching Tory MPs in the chamber per Turkey, Ukraine and Japan et al then you are going to be disappointed. The opposition needs the House of Lords to feel able to do stuff like this without reproach or sanction. Had the opportunistic Lib Dem fatal motion succeeded then what followed may well have scuppered the idea that peers will stand against a government determined to win ideological battles that harm the people. The basic idea that employers should pay people decently and that those people should be able to live decently on what they earn without resorting to top-ups from the public purse is not in itself unreasonable. A Socialist should feel able to support that idea. Which is what the Tories say they are selling and is now exposed as a lie or a fudge depending on how you look at it. These Tories (who are in their own way just like the Blairites in their inability to understand their own party and its history) are as-ever trying and failing to have it both ways - to look like humane and beneficent centre grounders, full of reasonableness and without something dangerous like an actual ideology, while pandering to paymasters whose psychopathic thirst for profits knows absolutely no limits. With the possible exception of the Greens, the single issue parties don't want Labour to do well. They would love five years of mean spirited government opposed weakly by an enfeebled Labour party and supine House of Lords. All their Christmases would have come at once.
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