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drewbhoy
drewbhoy
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn continues promoting Labour lies about SNP (BBC Andrew Marr Show 27 Sept 2015)
Sep 29, 2015, 09:40
thispoison wrote:
http://wingsoverscotland.com/normal-service-resumed/#more-76026
IanB wrote:
drewbhoy wrote:
He claimed the SNP privatised Scotrail (privatised by the Tories), Calmac (its owned by the Scottish Govt.), he said the SNP were anti austerity (obviously didn't see party leaders debate), Labour agreeing to Tory fiscal policy if in power, no debate on Trident (he's supposed to be against Trident and on the side of peace :-( )

Now I have nothing to do with the SNP and don't vote for them but he should at least do his homework.


I watched the same programme and found his push back at the SNP pretty mild considering. I didn't hear him say anything about supporting the Tories on fiscal policy. I don't understand your point about the SNP and austerity. The no debate on Trident was a conference decision. He wanted one. Conference didn't. He has not abandoned it at all. He quite specifically said he hoped to be able to turn his colleagues around. If JC is making other shit up then I would be kind of disappointed but in the end it would just be goose/gander. I do hope Labour will do a deal with the Greens in certain constituencies. That would be progress.


So McDonnell's lies were "pretty mild considering"? Maybe from where you're sitting.

He said Labour were the only true anti-austerity party now. Another lie. So I imagine what Drew meant was "he said the SNP were NOT anti austerity". A simple typo.

I've lost all faith in these two - Corbyn & McDonnell - in the past couple days of bare-faced lying. It just may have been a good idea to seek consensus and alliance with like minded parties where you can - and you yourself mention the Greens, who played an excellent part in the pro-indepence campaign in Scotland last year - against the Tories and their austerity agenda. Y'know - the REAL enemy. But no, too small minded and hurting from their near-wipeout here in the General Election for that. And too "Tribal" - oh, yes. So fuck 'em. Labour clearly still do not have a clue about Scotland. Game on.

PS/
I know I've posted links to Wings Over Scotland articles before, but I really do recommend readers take a few minutes to read the one below, which explores the "basis" for McDonnell's Conference speech SNP howlers. You'll maybe begin to realise the depths of mendacity to which Scottish Labour will stoop in their efforts to try to discredit the SNP at any opportunity.:

http://wingsoverscotland.com/normal-service-resumed/#more-76026


WingsOverScotland is a good place as is pretty fair and tho pro independence can be quite neutral. When I'm at it have a look at the RedTory/Tory coalition figures for Stirling. Shameful :-(
drewbhoy
drewbhoy
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Edited Sep 29, 2015, 09:45
Re: Jeremy Corbyn continues promoting Labour lies about SNP (BBC Andrew Marr Show 27 Sept 2015)
Sep 29, 2015, 09:43
Cheers Poison, that was a typo. As for the Greens, we'll deal with Labour in Scotland as well by becoming the 2nd party in Scotland and working with the Scottish Govt. on the Greener issues :-) On that and other issues at least we won't abstain!!!
drewbhoy
drewbhoy
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn continues promoting Labour lies about SNP (BBC Andrew Marr Show 27 Sept 2015)
Sep 29, 2015, 09:46
Austerity bit was a typo. The SNPs stance on austerity is well known.
drewbhoy
drewbhoy
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Re: RMT Response
Sep 29, 2015, 09:50
Captain Starlet wrote:
RMT responds to SNP Trade Union Group statement on the RMT CalMac dispute.

See SNP TUG statement below. RMT responds.

General Secretary Mick Cash said;

"This statement from a group claiming to represent trade unionists makes not a single mention of support for fellow trade unionists battling to defend jobs and services and instead hides behind a barrage of EU anti-worker legislation that has no relevance at all to this dispute and which could be challenged anyway with a united campaign.

"RMT would appeal to rank and file SNP members and supporters to reject this defeatist line and stand by a workforce fighting to defend jobs, conditions, safety and lifeline ferry services against this attack. You can't claim to be anti-austerity, pro working class and pro public services and then duck the issue when jobs and services are under all out attack like on CalMac. The question to the SNP TU Goup is which side are you o?n?"

Ends


The RMT hammering nails into its own coffin by not understanding the Scottish Trade Unions. Dear oh dearie me, does that mean they ride roughshod over their members elsewhere?
sanshee
sanshee
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Edited Sep 29, 2015, 10:13
Re: Jeremy Corbyn continues promoting Labour lies about SNP (BBC Andrew Marr Show 27 Sept 2015)
Sep 29, 2015, 10:07
Wings Over Scotland a 'fair place?
What about Claire Lally?
A young mum who won carer of the year and went out campaigning during the ref, bringing in some of her experiences of caring for her disabled child and the challenges she and millions of others face (for the ones in the rest of the UK were are important to her also)
That odious little creep the 'reverend' Stuart Campbell you and *Poison* seem to have so much respect for sought to cause misery for her, saying she was related to an ex provost and therefor had some 'advantage' somewhere.
Yes, she was a Labour party member (not illegal up here, yet), but the rest was lies.
She stood on a stage and spoke up for her cause, describing herself as an ordinary mum which SNP campign chief, Campbell Gunn took exception too, because she was a Labour Party member.
What did that mean?
To top it off he decided to cite 'Wings Over Scotland' as a reliable source to ramp up the attack on her, and took an official line on it.
As for the Calmac situation, there is something in the Smith Commission regards not having to put certain services out to tender, but the SNP rushed it through anyway.
http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-7ec5-What-the-SNP-says-v-what-the-SNP-does#.VgpUBi8QWP8
**The Smith Commission on further devolution concluded that “the power will be devolved to the Scottish government to allow public-sector operators to bid for rail franchises funded and specified by Scottish ministers.”**
Corbyn DID NOT LIE.
Open your eyes Drew FFS.
drewbhoy
drewbhoy
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn continues promoting Labour lies about SNP (BBC Andrew Marr Show 27 Sept 2015)
Sep 29, 2015, 14:56
sanshee wrote:
Wings Over Scotland a 'fair place?
What about Claire Lally?
A young mum who won carer of the year and went out campaigning during the ref, bringing in some of her experiences of caring for her disabled child and the challenges she and millions of others face (for the ones in the rest of the UK were are important to her also)
That odious little creep the 'reverend' Stuart Campbell you and *Poison* seem to have so much respect for sought to cause misery for her, saying she was related to an ex provost and therefor had some 'advantage' somewhere.
Yes, she was a Labour party member (not illegal up here, yet), but the rest was lies.
She stood on a stage and spoke up for her cause, describing herself as an ordinary mum which SNP campign chief, Campbell Gunn took exception too, because she was a Labour Party member.
What did that mean?
To top it off he decided to cite 'Wings Over Scotland' as a reliable source to ramp up the attack on her, and took an official line on it.
As for the Calmac situation, there is something in the Smith Commission regards not having to put certain services out to tender, but the SNP rushed it through anyway.
http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-7ec5-What-the-SNP-says-v-what-the-SNP-does#.VgpUBi8QWP8
**The Smith Commission on further devolution concluded that “the power will be devolved to the Scottish government to allow public-sector operators to bid for rail franchises funded and specified by Scottish ministers.”**
Corbyn DID NOT LIE.
Open your eyes Drew FFS.



Maybe you should open yours. I said a 'pretty fair' place. I never said I respected WingsOverScotland and have often had a go at him elsewhere and unlike you I have faced this person down face to face. But he or his site is a place for information, right or wrong.

What happened to Clare Lally was wrong, and having worked in music and campaigned for funding for disabled kids/adults (I don't expect to be slaughtered for this Sanshee) I fully understand her feelings. But she wasn't hung out to dry, you can't hold an entire viewpoint guilty for the sentences of a couple of individuals.

The FFS album is good btw.
carol27
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Edited Sep 30, 2015, 09:01
Re: Jeremy Corbyn continues promoting Labour lies about SNP (BBC Andrew Marr Show 27 Sept 2015)
Sep 29, 2015, 19:15
What about Lancashire, Yorkshire, Lincolnshire, Derbyshire, all the rest of your obviously despised " little England". Why do you group it all together? Here in Lancashire a lot of us are as far removed from any respect for the London centric government establishment as any fucker. I mean respect for getting active & achieving some sort of self determination;but don't be so sneery about some of the rest of us. I'm as pissed off, for very similar reasons as you are. I consider the Scottish, the Cornish, the Irish, the Welsh, the Liverpudlians, the whatever's my brothers & sisters in arms& would feel bereft without them.
sanshee
sanshee
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn continues promoting Labour lies about SNP (BBC Andrew Marr Show 27 Sept 2015)
Sep 30, 2015, 09:07
Well said.
IanB
IanB
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Edited Oct 01, 2015, 08:06
Re: Jeremy Corbyn continues promoting Labour lies about SNP (BBC Andrew Marr Show 27 Sept 2015)
Sep 30, 2015, 09:55
I am not following you.

What I am gathering is that English people who are in need of progressive leftist government can basically go fuck themselves because of where they were born, because of "Empire" and and also because 10.5m of us eligible to vote voted Tory and 27m didn't. Is that right? I only ask because I want to have this right rather than conflate this with all that stuff about British diet and depression and unfriendliness and selfishness etc etc and come to an unfair conclusion.

In any event that's a long way from The Internationale and international brotherhood.

As for most of the other countries you mention as a comparison are you saying that Scotland is being occupied by a foreign power, the English military are murdering your people and your culture and/or language and/or religion and/or free press are being suppressed? Have you been in need of a peace process and/or striven for an independent state in order to live safely? If not now then in living memory?

Catalonia is possibly a fair one to stand up next to Scotland but being significantly less than a century out of a civil war and less than half a century from a military dictatorship it is a lot easier for me to see where they are coming from.
IanB
IanB
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Edited Sep 30, 2015, 14:00
Re: Jeremy Corbyn continues promoting Labour lies about SNP (BBC Andrew Marr Show 27 Sept 2015)
Sep 30, 2015, 10:16
carol27 wrote:
What about Lancashire, Yorkshire, Lincolnshire, Derbyshire, all the rest of your obviously despised " little England". Why do you group it all together? Here in Lancashire a lot of us are as far removed from any respect for the London centric government establishment as any fucker. I mean respect for getting active & achieving some sort of self determination;but don't be so sneery about some of the rest of us. I'm as pissed off, for very similar reasons as you are. I consider the Scottish, the Cornish, the Irish, the Welsh, the Liverpudlians, the whatever's my brothers & sisters in arms& would feel bereft without them.


Amen to that. Being Welsh/English and German myself and being married to a Dutch/Irish Yorkshire woman (and don't even get me started on the complications of religion) I am starting to wonder how many passports my kids are going to need.
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