drewbhoy
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Edited Dec 23, 2009, 03:11
Re: Sign recovered, arrests made.
Dec 23, 2009, 03:05
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Maybe not the saddos we've imagined but maybe for somebody who is even sicker/sadder. The BBC has the following:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8427487.stm
Maximum security (or lack) meets maximum stupidity (plenty) meets maximum profit overseas..............
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Deepinder Cheema
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Edited Dec 23, 2009, 08:10
Re: When does a sick joke become a holy relic?
Dec 23, 2009, 08:07
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To me this holds possible the 20th C form of Holocaust happening again. There has always been the suggestion that a Holocaust memorial is to learn from history - so that it does not happen again. All the Holocaust deniers bang on about how exaggerated the Jewish/others propaganda is, I don't think I have openly heard advocating mass extermination being a good thing, even the Nazi's never did that. I think this theft of a souvenir is probably just that.
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handofdave
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Re: Sign recovered, arrests made.
Dec 23, 2009, 12:42
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Hopefully they'll track down whoever 'ordered' the infernal thing. Fucking Nazis.
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drewbhoy
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Re: Sign recovered, arrests made.
Dec 23, 2009, 15:07
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Straight to the point!!
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Moon Cat
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Re: When does a sick joke become a holy relic?
Dec 23, 2009, 18:30
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Jim Tones wrote: drewbhoy wrote: It's a very weird feeling walking round that place, it's almost as if the silence was deafening. Hearing what the guide had to say during the second visit, two winters ago, was sickening. It was freezing and snowing, we the 'tourists' were all wrapped up in warm clothes. For the unfortunates all those years ago, they wore rags and starved on a good day. A sobering thought so places like this should be preserved but do many of humankind, especially those in power, take any notice? Somehow, sadly I think not!
The one thing that struck me about visiting the Dachau site, was that there were no birds flying around, no wildlife at all really.
As you said, the 'stillness' was very odd indeed, eventhough you do realise the past events of the place when you are walking around etc.
I have no jewish or eastern european heritage, but I visited Dachau, as I was once told by an elderly jewish bloke a few years before, that if I was ever within 50 miles of one of the Camps, that I should pay a visit and to whisper the words-"never again" -whilst I was in the grounds.
I've been to Dachau too and it was one of the weirdest experiences. It felt like if you spoke above a whisper it was somehow inappropriate. The whole thing felt like an odd combination of 'interesting' and 'chilling'.
I'm glad I went though - it was defintely a different experience from simply going round a historical site. Real resonance there. And I agree, they should be left and remembered. I'm all for moving on but in terms of human history, given the enormity of the evil it represents, the holocaust was practically yesterday - it's not looking that far back and that makes it all the more tangible and horrifyingly evocative.
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Jim Tones
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Edited Dec 23, 2009, 21:45
Re: When does a sick joke become a holy relic?
Dec 23, 2009, 21:38
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Moon Cat wrote: Jim Tones wrote: drewbhoy wrote: It's a very weird feeling walking round that place, it's almost as if the silence was deafening. Hearing what the guide had to say during the second visit, two winters ago, was sickening. It was freezing and snowing, we the 'tourists' were all wrapped up in warm clothes. For the unfortunates all those years ago, they wore rags and starved on a good day. A sobering thought so places like this should be preserved but do many of humankind, especially those in power, take any notice? Somehow, sadly I think not!
The one thing that struck me about visiting the Dachau site, was that there were no birds flying around, no wildlife at all really.
As you said, the 'stillness' was very odd indeed, eventhough you do realise the past events of the place when you are walking around etc.
I have no jewish or eastern european heritage, but I visited Dachau, as I was once told by an elderly jewish bloke a few years before, that if I was ever within 50 miles of one of the Camps, that I should pay a visit and to whisper the words-"never again" -whilst I was in the grounds.
I've been to Dachau too and it was one of the weirdest experiences. It felt like if you spoke above a whisper it was somehow inappropriate. The whole thing felt like an odd combination of 'interesting' and 'chilling'.
I'm glad I went though - it was defintely a different experience from simply going round a historical site. Real resonance there. And I agree, they should be left and remembered. I'm all for moving on but in terms of human history, given the enormity of the evil it represents, the holocaust was practically yesterday - it's not looking that far back and that makes it all the more tangible and horrifyingly evocative.
I forgot to mention in my previous post, that I often thought about my visit to Dachau in the following months (actually, as you'd know, it never really leaves your mind).
I was there in 1992 and lo and behold, at that very point in time as we now know, there were some similar attrocities of 'ethnic cleansing' being carried out in Bosnia and the surrounding areas with some 200,000+ victims.
So much for "never again".
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drewbhoy
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Re: When does a sick joke become a holy relic?
Dec 23, 2009, 21:50
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Thats why I said 'Sadly I think not'. I've been to the Balkans quite a few times following CFC. The hatred still exists between the different groupings, but hopefully nothing will ignite the smouldering flames.
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handofdave
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Edited Dec 23, 2009, 22:49
Re: When does a sick joke become a holy relic?
Dec 23, 2009, 22:48
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What's utterly damning to the west is it's lack of action in the face of ethnic massacres since WW2. NATO sat on its ass as the Serbs did it, and as the Rwandan genocide was carried out.
'Never Again' has already been rendered moot.
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Deepinder Cheema
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Edited Dec 23, 2009, 23:03
Re: When does a sick joke become a holy relic?
Dec 23, 2009, 23:03
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This might be a good point to introduce the Govt funded research into Ethno specific biological weapons. I heard an interesting conversation between Alex Jones and Gail Zappa. It's early on in this broadcast:
http://www.truthring.org/2007/11/gail-zappa-frank-zappas-widow-on-alex-jones-show-11-14-07/
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Jim Tones
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Edited Dec 23, 2009, 23:05
Re: When does a sick joke become a holy relic?
Dec 23, 2009, 23:04
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handofdave wrote: What's utterly damning to the west is it's lack of action in the face of ethnic massacres since WW2. NATO sat on its ass as the Serbs did it, and as the Rwandan genocide was carried out.
'Never Again' has already been rendered moot.
I think there's a bit too much 'damning' towards the west tbh Dave.
One thing I can't understand, is why extremely rich muslim countries like the Emirates etc., never stepped in on what was happening in Bosnia, helping 'fellow muslims' etc.,
they certainly have the funds to carry out operations, or to aid the rest of the world in doing so.
It's the same when there are muslim countries in trouble in Africa, whether it's famine or war, Saudi et al, don't seem to want to know.
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