drewbhoy
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Re: When does a sick joke become a holy relic?
Dec 19, 2009, 01:29
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Thanks D1. But why pinch this sign, must be a far right wing group or some wacko with war momentoes of an unsavoury nature or just somebody playing a highly unfunny prank. Sick joke/holy relic stolen is stolen and if it doesn't return another part of history is lost.
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dodge one
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Re: When does a sick joke become a holy relic?
Dec 19, 2009, 01:44
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I don't know who or why anyone would take that sign.
People sometimes vandalize grave-yards and smash gravestones...about the same magnitude of fuck-headed-ness. I've seen reports and photo's in the news several times in my life where that's happened. To dozens of stones in one night. Incredible disrespect. Or to some, 'just havin' a larf'.
I'd guess it will end up sold as scrap metal, or end up as a centerpiece in some jack-ass's Nazi Memorabilia shrine.
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drewbhoy
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Re: When does a sick joke become a holy relic?
Dec 19, 2009, 01:46
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Far right wing groups groups are beginning to appear in Poland and are, worryingly, growing in strength.
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dodge one
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Re: When does a sick joke become a holy relic?
Dec 19, 2009, 01:53
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The Locust.
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drewbhoy
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Re: When does a sick joke become a holy relic?
Dec 19, 2009, 01:57
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Correct and it's happening in a lot of East European countries. Must catch some shut eye, some snow here now but not as much as some parts of England. Cheers D1, respect!
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dodge one
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Re: When does a sick joke become a holy relic?
Dec 19, 2009, 01:58
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Nite my friend.
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mojojojo
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Re: When does a sick joke become a holy relic?
Dec 19, 2009, 11:37
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Well put.
x
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Jim Tones
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Re: When does a sick joke become a holy relic?
Dec 19, 2009, 11:38
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handofdave wrote:
So how does it being stolen 'desecrate' the victims of the Holocaust?
I worked and lived for three years in Israel, I've been to the Holocaust Museum in Jerusalem and I've also visited Dachau whilst I was once staying in Munich.
The majority of jewish folk that I've had conversations with in the past (and that's quite a lot), all expressed their views that the Camps, Ovens and all other 'evidence' etc. should remain there- intact -for all to see and for future generations to be reminded about the whole era.
On hearing about this theft/vandalism in the news, I would say that the majority of jewish people the world over, would be appalled that their history has been 'desecrated' by this act.
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Jim Tones
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Edited Dec 19, 2009, 12:07
Re: When does a sick joke become a holy relic?
Dec 19, 2009, 12:05
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drewbhoy wrote: It's a very weird feeling walking round that place, it's almost as if the silence was deafening. Hearing what the guide had to say during the second visit, two winters ago, was sickening. It was freezing and snowing, we the 'tourists' were all wrapped up in warm clothes. For the unfortunates all those years ago, they wore rags and starved on a good day. A sobering thought so places like this should be preserved but do many of humankind, especially those in power, take any notice? Somehow, sadly I think not!
The one thing that struck me about visiting the Dachau site, was that there were no birds flying around, no wildlife at all really.
As you said, the 'stillness' was very odd indeed, eventhough you do realise the past events of the place when you are walking around etc.
I have no jewish or eastern european heritage, but I visited Dachau, as I was once told by an elderly jewish bloke a few years before, that if I was ever within 50 miles of one of the Camps, that I should pay a visit and to whisper the words-"never again" -whilst I was in the grounds.
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drewbhoy
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Edited Dec 19, 2009, 15:16
Re: When does a sick joke become a holy relic?
Dec 19, 2009, 14:55
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I travelled to Tel Aviv for the Celtic match there (picture taken in the stadium) and went down to Jerusalem visiting the Holocaust museum and I've also visited Dachau as well as a few others. Football trips are good cos I don't like just to stay in the pub. Whilst in Bratislavia, Slovakia we stayed in a hotel being unaware it was co-owned by Jewish people until the morning when we were woken by Hebrew chants. No probs there but I knew the history and the Slovaks weren't very kind, to the Jews, in the 2nd World War. This hotel was taken by Nazi supporters and the original owners carted/made to walk to the concentration camps. After a few changes of ownership the hotel was purchased by one of the present owners. In the mid 80's a visitor, a Jew, appeared with papers proving the original ownership. Inspiringly the Slovak people gave the hotel, without question, back to the original family, even more inspiring was that Jewish claimant decided that both families should co own the hotel. So it isn't all bad some good people are left. However the Slovak kindness of that day stopped on the pitch, Celtic were hammered 5-1.
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