pooley
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Re: Tories and unemployment benefits
Aug 19, 2008, 18:45
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PMM wrote: pooley wrote: I don't think you are one of the people I am talking about.
That's not what I said. I said I used to be. I was perfectly happy to take and give nothing back. Forcing me to work would not have turned me from a deadbeat into a productive member of society. It would have just made me resent the system and do my damndest to fuck things up.
Well, like anything - You'd get out what you put in. If you are happy to take and not give back, i'd be happy to take away your benefits. simple as
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PMM
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Edited Aug 19, 2008, 19:07
Re: Tories and unemployment benefits
Aug 19, 2008, 18:47
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But then I'd smash your windows and kick you in the bollocks.
I really wouldn't have much to lose, and at least I'd be getting fed while I was in jail.
But anyway, in my experience, people who are long term unemployed lack motivation and self confidence. I'd love you to try to explain how treating them like shit will help matters.
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shanshee_allures
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Re: Tories and unemployment benefits
Aug 19, 2008, 18:47
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Hehe just noticed this reply.
Hope that's what I wrote.
x
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Ss-tinky
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Edited Aug 19, 2008, 20:34
Re: Tories and unemployment benefits
Aug 19, 2008, 19:59
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XOXOXO
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PMM
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Re: Tories and unemployment benefits
Aug 19, 2008, 20:30
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lol and you say you don't care what I think...
Really, What DO you hope to achive? Do you just want to vent? Do you want to make me angry? Do you think I'll get fed up and leave or stop posting?
What?
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Vybik Jon
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Edited Aug 22, 2008, 16:28
Re: Tories and unemployment benefits
Aug 20, 2008, 10:27
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Vote for you? Not until you bother to put some effort into your arguments, pooley.
Up-to-date figures:
Claimant Count (Jobseeker's Allowance) 864,700
Vacancies 634,900
A difference of 229,800. Just a little more than you were suggesting. I do hope that your job doesn't involve a lot of figures.
Also, the groups you suggested taking out of the figures don't form part of the unemployment figures. If what you are thinking of is those deemed economically inactive, then talk about that. There's a major difference. (Mind you, even that is a bizarre notion dreamed up years ago by some civil servant).
EDIT: My source for the figures above was here:
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/instantfigures.asp
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Sir John Dunn
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Re: Tories and unemployment benefits
Aug 20, 2008, 16:57
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pooley wrote: Merrick wrote: pooley wrote: I know loads of people who wont get a job as they are better of on the dole
Can you agree that there are more people than jobs? (As there are 1.6 million unemployed, that seems like you can)
Can you agree that there are always going to be more people than jobs?
If so, we face several options, and I'm wondering which you'd consider best;
1) We make the large pool of unemployed play musical chairs for the smaller pool of jobs
2) We remove benefits from those without a job
3) We find those who can live full and contented lives on the bare minimum, and give them dole, focusing our benefits budget on those who actually want help into work.
As an employer, I find it extraordinary that there are more people than jobs (as you claim, I don't know the figures so cant agree or disagree). I'm always struggling to fill positions for good fairly well paid jobs. In my experience, there is a lack of suitable people to fill the positions available.
To me, this means a huge retraining program is in order - I simply can not accept that anyone who doesn't need to should spend their whole lives on benefit, without giving something back.
Does that make me a Nazi, or worse a tory?? I have no idea.
The idea that we should find people that want to do nothing all day, at the expense of everyone else is awful, to me. I'd love to do fuck all, but I have a family and I have to work.
Pooley, with employers like you, who needs Nazi Tories? You are the problem, not the solution.
Is this a money thing? Do you honestly believe that you would pay less tax if everyone had a job?
Who cares whether people work or not? We’ll all be dead soon, anyway.
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Wiggy
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Re: Tories and unemployment benefits
Aug 21, 2008, 12:31
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So will you be offering to provide good quality training for candidates with potential?
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Wiggy
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Re: Tories and unemployment benefits
Aug 21, 2008, 12:43
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Just sounds like a decent, empathetic human who knows that it's all sh*t, but can't do anything about it, trying to help someone a little bit. His/her "remit" was probably impossible bullshit to be honest.
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Moon Cat
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Re: Tories and unemployment benefits
Aug 21, 2008, 13:14
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It was a 'her' and yes, she was just being brutally and refreshingly honest I guess.
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