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Edited Nov 01, 2007, 15:34
Jean Charles de Menezes: The Met - Guilty
Nov 01, 2007, 15:34
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Personally, I can't believe they had the cheek to actually contest this case. What part of endangering the public doesn't involve shooting them dead?
The force has been fined £175,000 and ordered to pay £385,000 in costs.
That'll learn them.
And again, Mark Steel: Maybe the police will be charged not with manslaughter but using loud weapons while not wearing ear-muffs.
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shanshee_allures
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Re: Jean Charles de Menezes: The Met - Guilty
Nov 01, 2007, 15:59
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As much as this is welcome, a few asses needed booted out too.
Without fear of hyperbole, certain people were just not up to the job, and they should have been told to leave.
This is as big a bloop as they could ever have made.
I always did find the 'health and safety' language, applied to shooting a guy seven times in the head, a bit strange.
I'm sure his family will feel vindicated in a way, although the damage done there can never be repaired.
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Popel Vooje
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Edited Nov 01, 2007, 19:59
Re: Jean Charles de Menezes: The Met - Guilty
Nov 01, 2007, 19:58
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Too bloody right. Someone sure as hell deserved to be prosecuted over that case. Obviously the sentence was far too light, but given some of the things the police have got away with in the past I'm amazed that it's been legally acknowledged that they acted unlawfully.
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Kid Calamity
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Re: Jean Charles de Menezes: The Met - Guilty
Nov 02, 2007, 12:23
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I think I agree with what everyone here has already said. As shameful a miscarriage as the awful act it was meant to try.
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Rhiannon
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Ken on the radio
Nov 02, 2007, 13:37
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This morning Ken Livingstone was on Today and he said he thought the result was going to make it more difficult for the police to deal with terrorism in london. Also that he didn't think anyone should have to step down from their job, like no-one was particularly responsible. Oh right so one's culpable for such a fiasco, and at no point there was someone in charge who could have said something to stop it, or to train people up properly so it didn't happen in the first place.
I was most disappointed in him. Ok so he didn't have to say 'the police are rubbish' I can see he'd want to support what they do generally. What's wrong with the police learning from this by perhaps Checking Their Facts A Bit Better. It's not as though they saw him, they shot him. They'd been following him for hours thinking he was The Suspect when he was actually someone totally different. If you've got the right person and they're about to blow up a tube train, by all means shoot them in the head seven times (just in case). But usually, shooting someone in the head isn't a split second decision is it.
So a policeman/woman thinking ' 'How's this going to be seen... am I going to be hauled off to court?' (as Livingstone has suggested) shouldn't really come into it should it.
ranting over
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7074425.stm
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Vybik Jon
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Re: Ken on the radio
Nov 02, 2007, 14:52
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One report today had a spokesperson from the Metropolitan Police Authority opining that in the future officers would be "terrified" of taking positive action in case it ended up in court/
Terrified? Absurd.
Anyway, I think that there are far more examples of where 'terrified' might be better used in reference to this case.
Why does a Police Officer volunteer to join one of the armed units?
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handofdave
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Re: Jean Charles de Menezes: The Met - Guilty
Nov 02, 2007, 17:28
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I hate to say it, but the dubious distinction of the most trigger-happy police force has to go to the NYPD
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0511,lee,62083,5.html
There was also a case up in Brattleboro, just north of here, a few years ago, where a distraught and confused local man who was threatening to harm himself was shot 7 times inside a church by two officers. They were found not guilty of excessive force or manslaughter.
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anthonyqkiernan
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Re: Ken on the radio
Nov 07, 2007, 15:20
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Seems the rest of the London Assembly don't agree, thankfully.
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anthonyqkiernan
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Police censured over Menezes case
Nov 08, 2007, 16:06
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London's Metropolitan Police made serious and avoidable errors in killing an innocent man, a watchdog says.
Brazilian Jean Charles de Menezes was shot dead by officers at Stockwell Tube station in July 2005 after being mistaken for a suicide bomber.
An Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) report highlights what it says were failures in procedures and communication.
And it says Commissioner Sir Ian Blair tried to prevent its investigation.
Sir Ian has again rejected calls for his resignation.
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shanshee_allures
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Re: Ken on the radio
Nov 08, 2007, 16:39
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Worse than that, he sank to new depths during last night's news when he said sacking Blair would (slightly paraphrasing here) 'play right into the hands of Osama bin Laden' (yes, he really did bring his name into it).
Ken Livingston might have espoused a load of ideals in the past (did he even mean it?), but he's as slimy and oppurtunistic as the effing rest.
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