anthonyqkiernan
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Guantanamo Bay Releases Confirmed
Jan 11, 2005, 13:36
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Straw makes him and Blair sound like crusading hereoes. How does he work that one out?
What do we reckon? arrested again as soon as they touch down on British soil and then quietly released over hte next couple of weeks, without charges?
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Billy Milk
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Re: Guantanamo Bay Releases Confirmed
Jan 11, 2005, 20:46
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i hope they sue their oppressors for every penny they deserve.
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anthonyqkiernan
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Re: Guantanamo Bay Releases Confirmed
Jan 12, 2005, 11:45
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Depends wht you mean by 'innocent' really. If yuou mean the opposite of guilty, then we can safely assume that otherwise they'd be facing the chair in the land of justice and the free, surely?
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Lawrence
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Re: Guantanamo Bay Releases Confirmed
Jan 12, 2005, 14:38
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If it happened to me and I had the money I fucken' would. If I didn't I'm sure I'd hath my own sceme of getting revenge... (Heh-heh...)
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grufty jim
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Re: Guantanamo Bay Releases Confirmed
Jan 12, 2005, 20:03
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I think, lemon, that you are misunderstanding the situation.
These men have been held without charge by the US military for three years, during which time they have been in a legal limbo without any representation or right to self-defence. Most people accept that at least some kind of torture has been used during the interrogation of these people. That's wrong. Any way you cut it, that's just plain wrong.
You say:
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> If they were not doing what the americans
> think they were doing then great, they
> should have some kind on compensation for
> having three years of their lives taken away.
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Well, I suspect there's no chance of them getting compensation. America decided to arbitrarily define them as "Enemy Combatants", remember? In other words, a declaration of "Look, we set the rules. We'll do what we want."
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> If they WERE doing what is suspected of them
> then they deserve to have much more than
> three years.
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Really? Just what was suspected of them? This is the root of the issue, lemon. They've never been formally charged with anything. No accusations have been made. Even *they* have never been told what they're under suspicion of (aside from being "an Enemy Combatant"). So how you can even discuss what they may or may "deserve" is beyond me.
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> I don't know them, and don't know what they
> were doing so am not going to pass judgement
> ether way. Neither do you by the way.
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That's true. But let me tell you what we *do* know. We know that the US military has captured a bunch of men from a foreign country. They refused them any form of representation and essentially made them "disappear". They then spent *three years* interrogating them, perhaps even torturing them and presumably investigating them thoroughly. During all this time; with mounting international pressure; with all the resources at their disposal, and against a suspect to who they had denied any form of defence, the US military has *still* been unable to gather enough evidence to even charge them with anything.
Let alone secure a conviction.
It seems to me that the ONLY evidence we have that these men have done anything wrong at all is the judgment of whatever scared 19-year-old kid in camo-gear it was arrested them in Afghanistan. And that's just not enough.
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bitteryesbitter
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Re: Guantanamo Bay Releases Confirmed
Jan 13, 2005, 03:10
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i agree. not to mention, there is NO WAY the u.s. would be releasing them if they were guilty of anything. and i do mean "anything". and i do mean NO WAY.
it seems to me they were detained because they belong to the muslim faith, and they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. the u.s is not only holding some of "its own" in guantanamo, but also some of it's own military. (translators, muslim clerics who are part of the u.s military. etc.)
i don't say this because of any "slant" i may have. i feel the guilty should be prosecuted before a court of law and should carry out deserving penalties, no matter what country of origin or faith they belong to.
what i find most alarming is that these folks have spent 3 years in the pit of hell that is guantanamo, and there still remains to be found any valid reason for them to have been there in the first place. the concept of "guilty until proven innocent" is something that just does not sit well with me. i would like to think that mankind does not have to resort to these sort of 'witch-hunts' to make itself feel better about combating a 'war on terrorism'.
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BUBBLEHEAD
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Re: Guantanamo Bay Releases Confirmed
Jan 13, 2005, 04:15
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Guilty or innocent Guantanamo is abhorrent.
After 3 years of incarceration and torture if there was any evidence of guilt we'd know it by now.
That place has done more to promote and provide an excuse for terrorism than anything since the occupation of the West Bank. IMO of course.
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Vybik Jon
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Re: Guantanamo Bay Releases Confirmed
Jan 13, 2005, 15:04
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Fucking right, lemon! Keep them all banged up for good. In the dark (with hoods on just in case), in constant noise, basic nutrition (most of the time), no contact with the outside world.
Fuck 'em, eh?
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anthonyqkiernan
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Re: Guantanamo Bay Releases Confirmed
Jan 13, 2005, 15:06
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You know, if you didn't bang anyone up, reoffending of released prisoners would fall to zero overnight.
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Lawrence
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Re: Guantanamo Bay Releases Confirmed
Jan 13, 2005, 15:26
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Just ask Carl Panzram!
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