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Lawrence 9547 posts |
Feb 25, 2004, 17:53
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http://famulus.msnbc.com/famulusgen/reuters02-24-181251.asp?t=RENEW Parts of this reprint a review of The Passion that's probably more truthful than the raves this no-doubt evil film is getting. I ain't gonna see it 'cos I ain't gonna support ultra-right Catholic nazis. Mel Gibson's father just made anti-Semetic comments recently I hear...
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stray 2057 posts |
Feb 25, 2004, 18:15
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ermm... sorry to be a pedant and all that. BUT all Mel has done in this film is to tell the Gospels as they are. Any pillock who says it's anti-semitic obviously has no fucking understanding of the gospels. Christ was Jewish for a start. And a lot of his rather lame attempts at creating dogma was pretty poor paraphrasing of the Jewish faith. Or, arguably, the reinterpretation and contextualisation done by the writers of what are the accepted gospels. Also, the catholic church are totally bloody horrified by this film, this scores positively with me. Anything that fucks off the vatican cant be all that bad. Sure, the prob is the gospels, although they havent changed in written form (much, well, some of the versions in US bibles are a bit fucking odd) a lot of the story gets skated over. Like christ was killed by Jewish people... hmm.. mebbe, this is still up for debate frankly. As is pilates involvement. Go check the gospel of peter, or of thomas for some interesting alternative views. yeah, those gospels arent in the bible they would freak out all the born again paulines after all as well as the established Catholic and Anglican communions. Also the book of enoch (missing from the old testament, unless your eithopian) is well worth a read, but I'm digressing. no, There is one thing Mel Gibson has done here that in my pedantic mode is worth taking the piss out of. That is the fact that the ppl are speaking mostly in Aramic. Ok, this may be news to some people, but the original gospels were written in Greek. Ok, the ppl in them more than likely spoke aramic. But, if you want to get all fundamental then converting from one language back to another is not the way to get things right is it. - Stray. Providing fucking weird views on Christianity since 1990.
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Vybik Jon 7720 posts |
Feb 25, 2004, 18:48
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One of the most famous filmstars on the planet produces a film about one of the most divsive events in human history. I've not seen the film and I don't know if I will, but millions will and a lot of them will do so on the strength of Mad Max, Lethal Weapon, Braveheart and the other populist films that Mel Gibson has been involved in. The artistic merits will go over a lot of peoples heads and the negative message of the film that is being pushed in the press will be accepted. I don't like the feelings it conjures up in me at a time when ethnic tensions are as high as they are.
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Lawrence 9547 posts |
Feb 25, 2004, 20:06
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http://www.rochester-citynews.com/gbase/Gyrosite/Content?oid=oid%3A2409 C'mon, you don't need this manupulative clap-trap folks!
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Lawrence 9547 posts |
Feb 25, 2004, 20:12
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Ha! Like how you ended that... Anyways the review that was in The New York Times -- included on the Reuters posting I started with -- and the local review I just posted a few minutes ago seem to view Gibson's film as sensationalist regardless of whether it is anti-Semetic... Still Gibson bothers me. His close relationship with his apparently nazi father bothers me. End of story...
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Lawrence 9547 posts |
Feb 25, 2004, 20:15
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There! Someone else concerned about it as I am. There's definitely a question of if the telling of the Crucifixion can get to the point of being propaganda or violent S&M porno...
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Lawrence 9547 posts |
Feb 25, 2004, 20:20
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Come to think of it, I would like to read those lost books of the Bible! I know the Church Of Satan was based around Enochian keys, probably coming from Enoch no doubt...
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stray 2057 posts |
Feb 25, 2004, 21:48
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I hear what your saying and all those things. but censoring a film, or any piece of art, which is essentially what your doing with your GRR!! ARRGHH WRONG! rants is not something that should be done lightly IMO. No matter what the current climate is. ok ? Yep, the enochian keys as a concept come from the name Enoch. Enoch was Noahs Grandad, and gods Librarian. He never died, he went to heaven many times, he just didnt come back the last time obviously. He, like most children of the 'watchers' (as in being a nephilim, like all the human race was at that time according to Enoch (well pretty much all of em) was nigh on immortal. Lived for a bloody long time. Anyway, while I'm explaining this, please dont assume I believe any of it, cool ? I do however speak angelic tongues (see, I am as mad as a box of frogs), but dont get me started on those Enochian Mage muppets or that John Dee bloke. just file em under wrong and move on ;P The curch of satan, and satanists in general are twats of the first order if they subscribe their faith to anything remotely related to a biblical representation of 'morning star' or any of the other plethora of angelic bad guys. Important note, the devil in the book of Job for example is not the fallen angel morning star anyway. Morning star clearly said that man was equal to god and should worship NOTHING, including his good self. Satanists, real satanists, are more clearly linked to the old desert tribe of setians. Right, The book of Enoch : http://reluctant-messenger.com/enoch.htm Note there is more than one heaven, also note the things that r bad, such as writing, splitting crops etc. also note there is an angel (watcher) responsible for sorcery, and one that is the solution for sorcery. And no, i dont know what the fuck it means, just that it doesnt remotely fit into the rest of the old testament. The book of enoch basically contains an entirely seperate creation myth to the one in genesis. And the multiple heavens would headfuck any christian. oh and btw, there is no hell either,something satanists need to be made aware of. there is only sheol, the grave (in terms of the christian tradition, not the Enoch tradition). The gospel of Thomas : http://reluctant-messenger.com/gospel-of-thomas.htm on the whole Christ sounds like a Taoist in this, and also definitely not of the peaceful variety. He knew he was here to cause shit according to Thomas. The gospel of Peter: http://reluctant-messenger.com/gospel-of-peter.htm Probably the dodgiest of all the apostles ;) He is mostly concerned with politics, and with the fact that Christ never tells him anything first. He's the guy for info on Pilate, and the 'my power my power' lines The guy who runs the reluctant messenger site is a complete fucking lunatic, his theories are not worthy of any sane persons time. However, his online translations of lost texts are proly the best available. Enjoy em mate :)
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cammyb 62 posts |
Feb 25, 2004, 21:50
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The midget Aussie (ha!) managed to trample all over history with his Braveheart pish so let's not be surprised at a fast and loose Hollywood sensibility with regards to historical accuracy.
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stray 2057 posts |
Feb 25, 2004, 21:52
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Basically, the gospel of thomas is the important one, there is much in it. i could wank on for hours about it. and I dig this http://reluctant-messenger.com/gospel-magdalene.htm For the way she despairs and condescends to Peter, you tell him girl. It is more likely than most of the other lost gospels to be fakes (dont trust them gnostic monkeys).
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