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PaulMakesMusic 951 posts |
May 02, 2003, 19:25
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....in the Scottish assembly. :o)
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necropolist 1689 posts |
May 02, 2003, 20:00
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i think you'll find that it's 6! with the possibility of more to come!
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MonkeyBoy 1008 posts |
May 02, 2003, 20:02
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Good result indeed, but in the end it is more having five left leaning Scotish Nationalists elected than having any true socialists sitting in the assembly. Apparently according to Tommy (on a radio election interview) Denmark & Norway are good examples for a socialist Scotland to follow. ie. mixed private & state capitalist economies. Still it shows how ineffectual & divided the left in England is anyway.
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necropolist 1689 posts |
May 02, 2003, 20:10
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fucking hell, i knew tommy had rather drifted from his trot past, but denmarks a model? bejeesus. you going to the SA conference next week monkeyboy?
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MonkeyBoy 1008 posts |
May 02, 2003, 20:27
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Next week! I musn't be very well informed. Haven't had anything through since the last (cancelled) conference. Probs read the new date somewhere but it mustn't have registered - been a bit under the weather lately Necropolist so I don't know if Im up to all the intrigues & machinations of an SA conference. What are the details? I got the impresion that the SA is going to be wound up apart from the occasional electoral intervention & that any possibility for a new workers party must come from elsewhere.
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MonkeyBoy 1008 posts |
May 03, 2003, 09:53
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I might have remembered incorrectly he may have said Sweden as well as Norway. Wasn't Sweden always a model for 'socialism' for Old Labour in the 70s & 80s? Still good to see the result tho. It is also good to see the Green Party do well up there as well. Despite their localised decentralised reformist capitalism as official policy they seem to be the major alternative Radical party in Britain. They seem to get results & votes that the SA can only dream of at the moment.
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necropolist 1689 posts |
May 03, 2003, 16:11
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think you would have been quite right if it wasn't for that 1 councillor (Preston centre today, tomorrow the world!...uhh, yeah right) The SWP round here are very keen on forging a red-green aliiance (tho not on a very principled basis), and have said that they will do the work to build the SA, where we exist already. Have my doubts about the truth of this however. We shall see. I think we shouyld pretyy much say that there is no national organisaton, and concentrrate on building a small number of local alliances who have some strength where hey are, rather than spreading ourselves too thinly across an entire city, country. The conference could be really good and useful, or it could be sad infighting sectarian shit. Be good to meet up with ya if you do go, drop us a mail ([email protected]) Hpe your doing okay now, cheers Rich
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PaulMakesMusic 951 posts |
May 03, 2003, 19:28
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I wonder if regional assemblies would improve the standing of the SA.
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MonkeyBoy 1008 posts |
May 03, 2003, 19:45
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Well they might. Can't see any of the big parties making major pushes for elections to the regional assemblies in England.
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MonkeyBoy 1008 posts |
May 05, 2003, 11:12
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The Preston council seat must be the first time the SWP have got someone elected (ex-Militant used to & can still do it in places). The highlights of the SA seem to be Preston & the Hackney Mayoral race. I think the SA managed to capitalise on the anti-war vote there. On a Red-Green alliance. "Would it be a we don't stand here, you don't stand there, we vote for you here, you vote for us there" kind of thing. Which would be very hard to get to work as in local areas, some Greens might not trust the SA (and who can honestly blame them considering the Hard Lefts record). It would be very hard reaching agreement. Joint local issue campaigns might work - but then again most of the SA constituent parts will only do it if there is something in it for them (ie. recruitment). In the South East we already have a sitting Green MEP (Caroline Lucas) who took part in anti-war protest action & has also taken part in Aldermaston protests & anti-capitalist protests. Don't know if there is any functioning SAs in the South East let alone on a regional level. But some SWP branch might decide to field a candidate under the auspices of the SA. As far as Im concerned my sitting Green MEP will get my vote & it would be wrong for the SA to field a candidate in my books. I don't know much about her but from what I know she is probabily worth supporting as any on the remains of the labour left. So the SA should back her re-election.
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