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moss
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Modern Mounds
Oct 01, 2017, 12:03
Some time ago there was news about 'fairy castles' built on the Stowe Pound complex, and I think Tomatoman mentioned 'walker' cairns. I know they have been tackled elsewhere in the country but this moderate blog below addresses the problem, without getting people too upset on either side.

https://northyorkmoorsnationalpark.wordpress.com/2017/03/20/deconstructing-mounds/

and then this later one....

https://northyorkmoorsnationalpark.wordpress.com/2017/09/25/deconstructing-modern-mounds-what-happened-next/
GLADMAN
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Re: Modern Mounds
Oct 01, 2017, 13:00
Well the 'accidental' damage to upland cairns is a major issue which has been the subject of debate on TMA across the years.. don't think we've ever achieved a consensus of opinion , certainly not regarding a solution... probably because there isn't any one solution.

The fundamental point I'd make is, no matter what reports such as these say, the damage isn't 'accidental'. It is vandalism, pure and simple. Picking up a stone or stones from an existing cairn and moving it somewhere else - even using the material to fashion another construction upon the cairn - is a conscious act. Not accidental. So what we are talking about is either:

1) Ignorance driving well meaning actions that nevertheless damage (in many cases) scheduled ancient monuments
2) Wilful damage to an ancient monument

Ignorance is no defence under law so both instances are, to my mind, crimes. However, clearly, it is impossible to police this except in fortuitous circumstances, so keeping tabs on your local area and reporting to the local authority, recording monuments for prosperity on TMA and other sites... basically raising awareness so 'ignorance' progressively becomes less of a defence... that seems the way forward for me.
Lubin
Lubin
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Re: Modern Mounds
Oct 01, 2017, 13:34
[quote="moss"]Some time ago there was news about 'fairy castles' built on the Stowe Pound complex, and I think Tomatoman mentioned 'walker' cairns. I know they have been tackled elsewhere in the country but this moderate blog below addresses the problem, without getting people too upset on either side.


Unfortunately it is still going on upon Stowe's Pound. It was posted local , Plymouth , a few weeks ago that 150 of these , so called "Fairy Castles" ,were counted.
The Heritage Trust
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Edited Oct 01, 2017, 14:23
Re: Modern Mounds
Oct 01, 2017, 14:09
GLADMAN wrote:
Well the 'accidental' damage to upland cairns is a major issue which has been the subject of debate on TMA across the years.. don't think we've ever achieved a consensus of opinion , certainly not regarding a solution... probably because there isn't any one solution.

The fundamental point I'd make is, no matter what reports such as these say, the damage isn't 'accidental'. It is vandalism, pure and simple. Picking up a stone or stones from an existing cairn and moving it somewhere else - even using the material to fashion another construction upon the cairn - is a conscious act. Not accidental. So what we are talking about is either:

1) Ignorance driving well meaning actions that nevertheless damage (in many cases) scheduled ancient monuments
2) Wilful damage to an ancient monument

Ignorance is no defence under law so both instances are, to my mind, crimes. However, clearly, it is impossible to police this except in fortuitous circumstances, so keeping tabs on your local area and reporting to the local authority, recording monuments for prosperity on TMA and other sites... basically raising awareness so 'ignorance' progressively becomes less of a defence... that seems the way forward for me.


Well put GLADMAN.

In September we published an article by Heritage Trust member Roy Goutté and his TimeSeekers volunteer archaeological clearance group on the damage being done by visitors to the Neolithic site of Stowes Pound. Historic England, BBC News Cornwall and The Telegraph picked up on Roy and his team’s concerns and are urging visitors not to engage in the practice.

Full feature with links here.
thelonious
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Edited Oct 01, 2017, 20:33
Re: Modern Mounds
Oct 01, 2017, 20:21
Thanks for the link. It's a problem everywhere isn't it? Folk like to build stuff.

I just can't see a way to stop it, though hopefully this will help (from little acorns...). Most people just don't really want to think about their actions. That's life and humans unfortunately. I hate coming across orange peel, banana skins etc on hills, just gets my blood boiling. If folk can't be bothered to take their own rubbish home with them what hope is there for just a pile of old stones on top of a hill to be left alone?
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