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nigelswift 8112 posts |
Sep 18, 2014, 19:28
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I'd just like to say I don't think making the cattle v stones issue a Cornwall v England issue is good tactics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gATug9hwsL0 In fact, it smells like a hijacking. Introducing the cattle isn't an exclusively Natural England idea anyway. Next to me is a common that the National Trust are determined to turn back to it's original iron age state and to this end it has fenced the whole thing, cut down hundreds of trees and introduced similar cattle at a cost, I should think, of several million. Personally, I think it has been a bad idea but perleease, blame the strategy, don't dress it up as something else.
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tjj 3606 posts |
Edited Sep 19, 2014, 12:59
Sep 18, 2014, 20:12
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Thanks for re-posting this Nigel, I said what I wanted to say on the locked thread. It always frustrating when threads get locked for little reason other than wanting to shut someone up. It worked anyway ... off to Cornwall on Saturday, will try not to upset any of the lovely Cornish people. Edited: 19/9/14
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Lubin 509 posts |
Sep 19, 2014, 11:32
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nigelswift wrote: I'd just like to say I don't think making the cattle v stones issue a Cornwall v England issue is good tactics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gATug9hwsL0 In fact, it smells like a hijacking. Introducing the cattle isn't an exclusively Natural England idea anyway. Next to me is a common that the National Trust are determined to turn back to it's original iron age state and to this end it has fenced the whole thing, cut down hundreds of trees and introduced similar cattle at a cost, I should think, of several million. Personally, I think it has been a bad idea but perleease, blame the strategy, don't dress it up as something else. I haven't see the video but being from the area , South West , I go to Cornwall walking and cycling at least once a week and cattle is definitely not the answer. They tried it along the Coastal Footpath to keep it clear and had to stop as they not only didn't eat the right vegetation but churned the ground up so much it was a mud bath. They have since put horses in to try that and it seems to be working much better as they eat the gorse and other stuff. I have photos of Dartmoor from the 60s and it looks completely different from now as the horse population has dwindled dramatically leaving the vegetation to grow.
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Sanctuary 4670 posts |
Sep 19, 2014, 12:13
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Lubin wrote: nigelswift wrote: I'd just like to say I don't think making the cattle v stones issue a Cornwall v England issue is good tactics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gATug9hwsL0 In fact, it smells like a hijacking. Introducing the cattle isn't an exclusively Natural England idea anyway. Next to me is a common that the National Trust are determined to turn back to it's original iron age state and to this end it has fenced the whole thing, cut down hundreds of trees and introduced similar cattle at a cost, I should think, of several million. Personally, I think it has been a bad idea but perleease, blame the strategy, don't dress it up as something else. I haven't see the video but being from the area , South West , I go to Cornwall walking and cycling at least once a week and cattle is definitely not the answer. They tried it along the Coastal Footpath to keep it clear and had to stop as they not only didn't eat the right vegetation but churned the ground up so much it was a mud bath. They have since put horses in to try that and it seems to be working much better as they eat the gorse and other stuff. I have photos of Dartmoor from the 60s and it looks completely different from now as the horse population has dwindled dramatically leaving the vegetation to grow. I was told off the other day for calling them horses when they are ponies :-) I agree with you Lubin. Those lumbering huge Highland Cattle (much as I love them to look at) are like living bulldozers.
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Lubin 509 posts |
Sep 19, 2014, 14:05
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Sanctuary wrote: Lubin wrote: nigelswift wrote: I'd just like to say I don't think making the cattle v stones issue a Cornwall v England issue is good tactics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gATug9hwsL0 In fact, it smells like a hijacking. Introducing the cattle isn't an exclusively Natural England idea anyway. Next to me is a common that the National Trust are determined to turn back to it's original iron age state and to this end it has fenced the whole thing, cut down hundreds of trees and introduced similar cattle at a cost, I should think, of several million. Personally, I think it has been a bad idea but perleease, blame the strategy, don't dress it up as something else. I haven't see the video but being from the area , South West , I go to Cornwall walking and cycling at least once a week and cattle is definitely not the answer. They tried it along the Coastal Footpath to keep it clear and had to stop as they not only didn't eat the right vegetation but churned the ground up so much it was a mud bath. They have since put horses in to try that and it seems to be working much better as they eat the gorse and other stuff. I have photos of Dartmoor from the 60s and it looks completely different from now as the horse population has dwindled dramatically leaving the vegetation to grow. I was told off the other day for calling them horses when they are ponies :-) I agree with you Lubin. Those lumbering huge Highland Cattle (much as I love them to look at) are like living bulldozers. Yes of course my mistake. In fact the ones they have been using are Dartmoor Ponies. There are some on the Headland at Rame.
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ocifant 1758 posts |
Sep 29, 2014, 11:13
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I'll admit the 'nationalistic' side of things doesn't sit comfortably with me, and people here know of my love of Cornwall! But they do have a point - 'outsiders' setting rules (and handing out cash to their landowner chums) without taking note of local concerns and experiences.
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tjj 3606 posts |
Edited Sep 29, 2014, 21:06
Sep 29, 2014, 20:43
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ocifant wrote: I'll admit the 'nationalistic' side of things doesn't sit comfortably with me, and people here know of my love of Cornwall! But they do have a point - 'outsiders' setting rules (and handing out cash to their landowner chums) without taking note of local concerns and experiences. The original post was made on the day of the Scottish Referendum when most of us were in a state apprehension about what the future might hold if the United Kingdom broke up. I've just come back from a relaxing week in St. Ives - loved it. It is a fact that Cornwall is largely dependent on the tourist industry and although it does have its own unique identity there is no way it could 'go it alone' - though apparently Cornish can be put on passports to describe nationality.
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ocifant 1758 posts |
Sep 30, 2014, 07:01
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Ah but the SPM campaign isn't about 'going it alone'. It's about doing what's best *for the landscape* (and tourism). What NE are doing is damaging a fragile landscape and stopping people from visiting...
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nigelswift 8112 posts |
Sep 30, 2014, 08:21
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ocifant wrote: Ah but the SPM campaign isn't about 'going it alone'. It's about doing what's best *for the landscape* (and tourism). What NE are doing is damaging a fragile landscape and stopping people from visiting... But that was my point Al. Good campaign but putting a nationalist spin on it is positively counter-productive. I can point you to a similar phenomenon in Wales.
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moss 2897 posts |
Sep 30, 2014, 09:15
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ocifant wrote: Ah but the SPM campaign isn't about 'going it alone'. It's about doing what's best *for the landscape* (and tourism). What NE are doing is damaging a fragile landscape and stopping people from visiting... Hi Alan, Just to say that I also admire the work of SPM in their confrontation with public bodies over saving Penwith Moor. I also admire the Carwynnen Quoit campaign (under the leadership of CASPN I think) for their ability to make a direct contribution to the saving of a particular Cornish prehistoric monument, and others who I know of who also stand guard, metaphorically speaking, over the moors of both Cornwall and Dartmoor..... I think people should read what is in the actual manifesto of SPM, and make their own judgments as to what is political or not, a love of the land we live on is not necessarily nationalistic... http://www.savepenwithmoors.com/2014%20SPM%20HEATH%20VISION.pdf
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