Sanctuary
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Re: Carn Goedog
Nov 20, 2013, 12:17
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spencer wrote: Eddie Stonebart. Innit. (coat's on already)
Yes...but not before Jones Bros the Welsh road builders had finished. (Well you can't expect them to haul the sled over all those rocks surely!!) :-)
Now, here's something to consider...did the SH builders go and collect them...or were they brought to them? Has that question been asked before?
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Evergreen Dazed
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Re: Carn Goedog
Nov 20, 2013, 13:17
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tiompan wrote: jonmor wrote: Thanks George. Makes sense
Got a positive initial response on that other thing. Started to write up how I'll do it. Calcs proved tricky but they make some specific predictions which, given that the thing is sealed from the public, could be interesting: Makes me a bit wary of it.
Jon , without having seen the detail , my initial wariness is that the same stuff is to be found elsewhere in the Bru in other contexts and in other monuments further afield , leaving a one to one mapping problematic . But I'll just have to wait and see ,
Really looking forward to hearing more.
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tiompan
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Re: Carn Goedog
Nov 20, 2013, 13:19
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Sanctuary wrote: spencer wrote: Eddie Stonebart. Innit. (coat's on already)
Now, here's something to consider...did the SH builders go and collect them...or were they brought to them? Has that question been asked before?
We have only been aware of their source for less than century .
Geoffrey Kellaway was the first to suggest glacial transport of the bluestones in the early 70's and the debate has continued since then, even here .
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nigelswift
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Re: Carn Goedog
Nov 20, 2013, 13:33
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I think he might have meant were they delivered or collected.
Or maybe they were delivered half way and then collected?
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Sanctuary
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Re: Carn Goedog
Nov 20, 2013, 13:45
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tiompan wrote: Sanctuary wrote: spencer wrote: Eddie Stonebart. Innit. (coat's on already)
Now, here's something to consider...did the SH builders go and collect them...or were they brought to them? Has that question been asked before?
We have only been aware of their source for less than century .
Geoffrey Kellaway was the first to suggest glacial transport of the bluestones in the early 70's and the debate has continued since then, even here .
I was only fooling around George in response to spencers post:-)
But it could raise a serious question. If proven to be brought down to SH by man, was it the builders that went up to collect them...or did someone else bring them down independently and for another reason?
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Sanctuary
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Re: Carn Goedog
Nov 20, 2013, 13:47
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nigelswift wrote: I think he might have meant were they delivered or collected.
Or maybe they were delivered half way and then collected?
The former :-)
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tiompan
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Re: Carn Goedog
Nov 20, 2013, 13:50
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nigelswift wrote: I think he might have meant were they delivered or collected.
Or maybe they were delivered half way and then collected?
I was really replying to " Has that question been asked before? "
And of course the hybrid explanation i.e. glaciated only as far as Somerset , is the maximum distance the evidence for glaciation provides at present .
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tiompan
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Edited Nov 20, 2013, 14:23
Re: Carn Goedog
Nov 20, 2013, 13:59
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Sanctuary wrote: tiompan wrote: Sanctuary wrote: spencer wrote: Eddie Stonebart. Innit. (coat's on already)
Now, here's something to consider...did the SH builders go and collect them...or were they brought to them? Has that question been asked before?
We have only been aware of their source for less than century .
Geoffrey Kellaway was the first to suggest glacial transport of the bluestones in the early 70's and the debate has continued since then, even here .
I was only fooling around George in response to spencers post:-)
But it could raise a serious question. If proven to be brought down to SH by man, was it the builders that went up to collect them...or did someone else bring them down independently and for another reason?
oops, irony bypass .
It would be very difficult to prove that they had been brought to the area from Wales or Somerset , then used in other monuments e.g.BHS ,as favoured by MPP etc (no evidence that bluestones were ever in the BHS sockets ) ,or just left lying around until later use .
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Evergreen Dazed
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Re: Carn Goedog
Nov 21, 2013, 11:54
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tiompan wrote:
BHS ,as favoured by MPP etc (no evidence that bluestones were ever in the BHS sockets )
Thats interesting, i'm sure I read that bluestone chips were found in the holes? Were they BS chips that haven't been matched to the ones at SH, or were the chips different stone entirely?
Does the size of the stone holes suggest the bluestones could have been placed there?
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tiompan
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Re: Carn Goedog
Nov 21, 2013, 12:30
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Evergreen Dazed wrote: tiompan wrote:
BHS ,as favoured by MPP etc (no evidence that bluestones were ever in the BHS sockets )
Thats interesting, i'm sure I read that bluestone chips were found in the holes? Were they BS chips that haven't been matched to the ones at SH, or were the chips different stone entirely?
Does the size of the stone holes suggest the bluestones could have been placed there?
There was a lot of BS about BHS in the early days , at one time it was even considered to be a four poster .There were suggestions of finds of bluestone in the pits initially but MPP eventually confirmed there were none .
The argument is that the size of the sockets are closer to stone holes than timber holes ,and they don't have the right shape for slab shaped sarsens reasonable enough but the same argument has been used about the Aubrey Holes and that has been debated . The BHS holes also had ramps alledgedly providing evidence for both insertion and removal .
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