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megalith6 46 posts |
Feb 18, 2013, 22:44
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harestonesdown wrote: megalith6 wrote: With regard to the possible symbolic pairing of the avenue stones - Aubrey Burl, ‘Prehistoric Avebury’ (2002) page 76: Alexander Keiller and Stuart Piggott had noted that “along the rows of the [West Kennet] avenue ... the ... long thin pillar and a broader diamond [shape perhaps] ... denoting male and female symbols ... a fertility cult ... one of the first objective interpretations of what Avebury might have been used for”. Not having read it i wasn't aware of that, not that it gives the theory any more validity in my mind using the current standing stones of the WKA. All the more reason to find and re-erect the missing ones then. :) Yes indeed, there was a dreadful missed opportunity a few years ago when a team undertook a dig for the missing avenue in the middle of a field behind West Kennet Farm. Why on earth did they not start their dig from where the current avenue ends with a 90% certainty of finding socket holes or even buried megaliths? The dig was almost predictably inconclusive the last I heard. Ric
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megalith6 46 posts |
Feb 18, 2013, 22:56
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Sanctuary wrote: tjj wrote: The point of the original post was that the stone in question bears a marked similarity to the West Kennet Avenue stones and therefore may be a lost part that ancient monument. Yes that is the most interesting part because if that is a fact and it is typical of an Avenue stone, then it tells us a little more...that the stones selected/shaped really meant something and weren't just random picked. Amateurs showing their worth once again! Well, they certainly couldn't have allegedly picked a more Avebury-like sarsen if they'd spent years researching it, that stone would certainly not look out of place on the West Kennet Avenue. http://www.thehamblintrust.org.uk/images/hamblin_stone.jpg
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Sanctuary 4670 posts |
Feb 18, 2013, 23:24
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megalith6 wrote: Sanctuary wrote: tjj wrote: The point of the original post was that the stone in question bears a marked similarity to the West Kennet Avenue stones and therefore may be a lost part that ancient monument. Yes that is the most interesting part because if that is a fact and it is typical of an Avenue stone, then it tells us a little more...that the stones selected/shaped really meant something and weren't just random picked. Amateurs showing their worth once again! Well, they certainly couldn't have allegedly picked a more Avebury-like sarsen if they'd spent years researching it, that stone would certainly not look out of place on the West Kennet Avenue. http://www.thehamblintrust.org.uk/images/hamblin_stone.jpg Maybe it wasn't picked up on at the time, but I asked if it would be possible with modern science, to take a sample of the base of the stone to see if it originated from the West Kennet area? Presumably there would still be traces of the soil staining the stone either at its base or anywhere if previously buried.
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harestonesdown 1067 posts |
Feb 19, 2013, 11:02
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Have EH been informed of this. ?
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Littlestone 5386 posts |
Edited Feb 19, 2013, 11:37
Feb 19, 2013, 11:15
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Sanctuary wrote: Maybe it wasn't picked up on at the time, but I asked if it would be possible with modern science, to take a sample of the base of the stone to see if it originated from the West Kennet area? Presumably there would still be traces of the soil staining the stone either at its base or anywhere if previously buried. In the 5th paragraph here Paul Bura says that the people on whose land the stone was ‘found’ lay a stone’s ‘chuck’ from the Avebury stones and that sarsens were to be found in fields around their house in West Kennet. Bura telephoned the people who called him back the next day to tell him that the Bosham Stone had been ‘found’. The timeframe of 24 hours or so suggests that the stone was above ground and that the people who 'found' it either knew of its location or went out to find one that ‘would fit the bill’. Paul Bura was no doubt misguided in having the stone removed from West Kennet but he probably did it with the best of intentions and according to his beliefs (I’m categorically not defending that by the way as ‘beliefs’ can and do result in the damage, desecration and/or destruction of our heritage - so vividly demonstrated at Bamiyan). If the people who now have the stone do allow it to be examined, and it turns out to be one of the Henge or Avenue megaliths, we might hope they will do the right thing and return it to a place of safety within the Avebury World Heritage Site. Paul Bura himself by the way died two weeks ago today.
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harestonesdown 1067 posts |
Feb 19, 2013, 15:25
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Sanctuary wrote: Littlestone wrote: megalith6 wrote: I've just checked with an online pdf and "West Kennet" which is mentioned at the Bosham page is indeed well within the Avebury WHS, thus the removal of this stone - if unauthorised - would surely constitute a violation of the Heritage Site. Thanks for the info Ric. It really does go to show that even stones within the WHS are not as safe from ‘removal’ as some might think. VBB will know the answer to this no doubt but has every household within the WHS been advised as to their responsibilities with regard to the non-shifting of sizeable stones without permission that they have or might discover on their land or in their gardens? Just so people know, VBB is having puter issues ATM.
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Sanctuary 4670 posts |
Feb 19, 2013, 15:32
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harestonesdown wrote: Sanctuary wrote: Littlestone wrote: megalith6 wrote: I've just checked with an online pdf and "West Kennet" which is mentioned at the Bosham page is indeed well within the Avebury WHS, thus the removal of this stone - if unauthorised - would surely constitute a violation of the Heritage Site. Thanks for the info Ric. It really does go to show that even stones within the WHS are not as safe from ‘removal’ as some might think. VBB will know the answer to this no doubt but has every household within the WHS been advised as to their responsibilities with regard to the non-shifting of sizeable stones without permission that they have or might discover on their land or in their gardens? Just so people know, VBB is having puter issues ATM. NOT AGAIN!!!! VBB and computers eh :-)
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Sanctuary 4670 posts |
Feb 19, 2013, 15:53
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Sanctuary wrote: harestonesdown wrote: Sanctuary wrote: Littlestone wrote: megalith6 wrote: I've just checked with an online pdf and "West Kennet" which is mentioned at the Bosham page is indeed well within the Avebury WHS, thus the removal of this stone - if unauthorised - would surely constitute a violation of the Heritage Site. Thanks for the info Ric. It really does go to show that even stones within the WHS are not as safe from ‘removal’ as some might think. VBB will know the answer to this no doubt but has every household within the WHS been advised as to their responsibilities with regard to the non-shifting of sizeable stones without permission that they have or might discover on their land or in their gardens? Just so people know, VBB is having puter issues ATM. NOT AGAIN!!!! VBB and computers eh :-) He should CACHE it in and buy a new one!
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VBB 558 posts |
Feb 19, 2013, 17:30
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Sanctuary wrote: Sanctuary wrote: harestonesdown wrote: Sanctuary wrote: Littlestone wrote: megalith6 wrote: I've just checked with an online pdf and "West Kennet" which is mentioned at the Bosham page is indeed well within the Avebury WHS, thus the removal of this stone - if unauthorised - would surely constitute a violation of the Heritage Site. Thanks for the info Ric. It really does go to show that even stones within the WHS are not as safe from ‘removal’ as some might think. VBB will know the answer to this no doubt but has every household within the WHS been advised as to their responsibilities with regard to the non-shifting of sizeable stones without permission that they have or might discover on their land or in their gardens? Just so people know, VBB is having puter issues ATM. NOT AGAIN!!!! VBB and computers eh :-) He should CACHE it in and buy a new one! Pretty convenient having puter problems if this old chestnut is all that's being chewed. We have been through all this on here at least once: yes it appears it was inside, no there's no evidence it was part of the mon, no EH can't do a thing about it, yes there are others exported (even some on e-bay recently). The place is awash with sarsen - it is why burial was just as much a part of creating the mon as standing some upright. Sorry all need to fix my puter...
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VBB 558 posts |
Feb 19, 2013, 18:08
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VBB wrote: Sanctuary wrote: Sanctuary wrote: harestonesdown wrote: Sanctuary wrote: Littlestone wrote: megalith6 wrote: I've just checked with an online pdf and "West Kennet" which is mentioned at the Bosham page is indeed well within the Avebury WHS, thus the removal of this stone - if unauthorised - would surely constitute a violation of the Heritage Site. Thanks for the info Ric. It really does go to show that even stones within the WHS are not as safe from ‘removal’ as some might think. VBB will know the answer to this no doubt but has every household within the WHS been advised as to their responsibilities with regard to the non-shifting of sizeable stones without permission that they have or might discover on their land or in their gardens? Just so people know, VBB is having puter issues ATM. NOT AGAIN!!!! VBB and computers eh :-) He should CACHE it in and buy a new one! Pretty convenient having puter problems if this old chestnut is all that's being chewed. We have been through all this on here at least once: yes it appears it was inside, no there's no evidence it was part of the mon, no EH can't do a thing about it, yes there are others exported (even some on e-bay recently). The place is awash with sarsen - it is why burial was just as much a part of creating the mon as standing some upright. Sorry all need to fix my puter... Having had my ear chewed off, allow me to reiterate - I don't like it but frankly my opinion counts for zilch & nothing can be done about it.
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