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tjj 3606 posts |
Edited Jan 23, 2013, 21:21
Jan 23, 2013, 21:07
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Harryshill wrote: I told him to keep dreaming.. Because thats what I do. I dream of a future where my children and their children will decide about such things. Just wanted to say I respect you for standing your ground. The Avebury restoration belongs to the future but then doesn't everything. To be realistic it is out of our hands and will take years of campaigning to influence the powers that be.
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nigelswift 8112 posts |
Edited Jan 23, 2013, 21:09
Jan 23, 2013, 21:08
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I don't know the details of why the proposal foundered but a couple of bits from what EH said about them in 2002 (second post down in this thread) - 1. “Many of the proposals will answer questions which have been set out in the recently published Avebury WHS Research Agenda.” 2. There's a concern it might “create a precedent for the rest of Avebury, Stonehenge and possibly other Neolithic WHS such as Neolithic Orkney. So that suggests (1.) any renewed call won't get far unless it involves achieving a set research aim rather than simply an assertion that the stone should be raised because it's currently buried. (2.) In addition if people approach them hinting they'd like it to be the first of many that won't help the case either. I have to say if that IS how EH and UNESCO are looking at it I rather agree with them. I can't get away from the conviction it isn't our generation's monument and, like tenants of a house, we're only entitled to make small changes during our all-too-short stewardship, not big rebuilding projects.
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Sanctuary 4670 posts |
Jan 23, 2013, 21:10
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Harryshill wrote: I told him to keep dreaming.. Because thats what I do. I dream of a future where my children and their children will decide about such things. You just seem bitter. Once someone has made out his/her stall I don't really see much point to them keep coming back over and over unless it's in a constructive way. The people who wish to persue this dream are being constructive, the others aren't and have nothing new to add to the discussion!
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Harryshill 510 posts |
Jan 23, 2013, 21:14
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I was told quite clearly that this was a discussion. It got a little one sided at times. If people want to leave this for the future then that it right by me and does add to the discussion.
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Sanctuary 4670 posts |
Jan 23, 2013, 21:15
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nigelswift wrote: I don't know the details of why the proposal foundered but a couple of bits from what EH said about them in 2002 (second post down in this thread) - 1. “Many of the proposals will answer questions which have been set out in the recently published Avebury WHS Research Agenda.” 2. There's a concern it might “create a precedent for the rest of Avebury, Stonehenge and possibly other Neolithic WHS such as Neolithic Orkney. So that suggests (1.) any renewed call won't get far unless it involves achieving a set research aim rather than simply an assertion that the stone should be raised because it's currently buried. (2.) In addition if people approach them hinting they'd like it to be the first of many that won't help the case either. I have to say if that IS how EH and UNESCO are looking at it I rather agree with them. I can't get away from the conviction it isn't our generation's monument and, like tenants of a house, we're only entitled to make small changes during our all-too-short stewardship, not big rebuilding projects. It the PEOPLE in masses wanted it Nigel would 'they' be likely to change their mind? I don't even know who 'they' are anyway. How many people decide this for the masses?
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Harryshill 510 posts |
Jan 23, 2013, 21:15
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Thank you. I respect your right to.
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Sanctuary 4670 posts |
Jan 23, 2013, 21:19
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Harryshill wrote: I was told quite clearly that this was a discussion. It got a little one sided at times. If people want to leave this for the future then that it right by me and does add to the discussion. Yes but you've made your position quite clear HH and we/I respect you for it, so what is the point in keep coming back if you have nothing new to add?
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Harryshill 510 posts |
Jan 23, 2013, 21:19
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Those for, should take that step, if it's important to them. Those agaist should watch to see how well those for do, and if it's important to them, they should react. That's what I intend to do.
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harestonesdown 1067 posts |
Jan 23, 2013, 21:19
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nigelswift wrote: I don't know the details of why the proposal foundered but a couple of bits from what EH said about them in 2002 (second post down in this thread) - 1. “Many of the proposals will answer questions which have been set out in the recently published Avebury WHS Research Agenda.” 2. There's a concern it might “create a precedent for the rest of Avebury, Stonehenge and possibly other Neolithic WHS such as Neolithic Orkney. So that suggests (1.) any renewed call won't get far unless it involves achieving a set research aim rather than simply an assertion that the stone should be raised because it's currently buried. (2.) In addition if people approach them hinting they'd like it to be the first of many that won't help the case either. I have to say if that IS how EH and UNESCO are looking at it I rather agree with them. I can't get away from the conviction it isn't our generation's monument and, like tenants of a house, we're only entitled to make small changes during our all-too-short stewardship, not big rebuilding projects. Cheers for that Nigel. I definitely agree with point 2, it would be absurd thinking a full restoration of the fallen stones is a go'er and i can see why the powers that be would instantly poo poo anything along those lines. Personally i'd love to see a couple of the BH avenue stones re-erected giving some visual idea of it's course, maybe in the next decade ? In all honesty i can't see it happening but i'd do all i could to make it so, not that i have any influence of course.
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harestonesdown 1067 posts |
Jan 23, 2013, 21:21
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Harryshill wrote: Those for, should take that step, if it's important to them. Those agaist should watch to see how well those for do, and if it's important to them, they should react. That's what I intend to do. Would you actively protest against restoration HH. ?
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