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bladup 1986 posts |
Jan 22, 2013, 17:03
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Sanctuary wrote: VBB wrote: bladup wrote: Rhiannon wrote: They ARE both destroying the archaeology. That was precisely my point, did you not look at the document? That's the reason why a responsible archaeologist, thinking about the possibilities of the future, wouldn't go digging up everything all at once. Yes some stones from the beckhampton avenue were excavated, but they didn't go digging up the entire purported line of the stones - that leaves possibilities for the future, the 'sustainability' thing mentioned. Also, medieval traces have things to tell us too - what about the things we can find out about why the stones were buried in the first place - is that not of interest to the history of Avebury? and illuminates attitudes to the stones in later times? if you page down there's a section that mentions this http://www.archaeologyuk.org/ba/ba103/feat2.shtml (stone destruction) Like someone said before the government won't fund it, so we need a modern keiller, a Branston type with money to burn, someone who knows their money is for something bigger than them, someone who knows the keiller story and wants to finish what he started, I mean i wouldn't know Keillers name if it wasn't for his great work at Avebury, we should write a letter to all the British Billionares because they have the money but lots would love to make a name for themselves away from the business field, look at the muppets on dragons den going for the fame because it was the one thing that's hard to buy, If someone did put up the cash i think they'd become a national hero to some by doing it, if you don't ask you don't get, you'd just need to make them realise how great they'd look by doing it. Branston - then we would be in a pickle! :) He knows his onions though and VIRGIN on being a genius :-) Ha Ha, it's still in a jar.
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Jan 22, 2013, 17:05
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Mustard wrote: tiompan wrote: Mustard wrote: Does the below invalidate the above ? Yes. Of course it doesn't . Two entirely different categories .One is an experiment the other a form of behaviour .
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bladup 1986 posts |
Jan 22, 2013, 17:07
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VBB wrote: VBB wrote: Mustard wrote: Sanctuary wrote: VBB wrote: bladup wrote: Rhiannon wrote: They ARE both destroying the archaeology. That was precisely my point, did you not look at the document? That's the reason why a responsible archaeologist, thinking about the possibilities of the future, wouldn't go digging up everything all at once. Yes some stones from the beckhampton avenue were excavated, but they didn't go digging up the entire purported line of the stones - that leaves possibilities for the future, the 'sustainability' thing mentioned. Also, medieval traces have things to tell us too - what about the things we can find out about why the stones were buried in the first place - is that not of interest to the history of Avebury? and illuminates attitudes to the stones in later times? if you page down there's a section that mentions this http://www.archaeologyuk.org/ba/ba103/feat2.shtml (stone destruction) Like someone said before the government won't fund it, so we need a modern keiller, a Branston type with money to burn, someone who knows their money is for something bigger than them, someone who knows the keiller story and wants to finish what he started, I mean i wouldn't know Keillers name if it wasn't for his great work at Avebury, we should write a letter to all the British Billionares because they have the money but lots would love to make a name for themselves away from the business field, look at the muppets on dragons den going for the fame because it was the one thing that's hard to buy, If someone did put up the cash i think they'd become a national hero to some by doing it, if you don't ask you don't get, you'd just need to make them realise how great they'd look by doing it. Branston - then we would be in a pickle! :) He knows his onions though :-) I bet he wouldn't worry unduly about leaving all the layers in tact ;) There's no layers in mustard pickle, erm, pickle mustard, erm.. Doh...... Those onions in vinegar - was it SARSENS? :) Haaaaaaaa that's a good one.
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bladup 1986 posts |
Jan 22, 2013, 17:09
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Sanctuary wrote: VBB wrote: VBB wrote: Mustard wrote: Sanctuary wrote: VBB wrote: bladup wrote: Rhiannon wrote: They ARE both destroying the archaeology. That was precisely my point, did you not look at the document? That's the reason why a responsible archaeologist, thinking about the possibilities of the future, wouldn't go digging up everything all at once. Yes some stones from the beckhampton avenue were excavated, but they didn't go digging up the entire purported line of the stones - that leaves possibilities for the future, the 'sustainability' thing mentioned. Also, medieval traces have things to tell us too - what about the things we can find out about why the stones were buried in the first place - is that not of interest to the history of Avebury? and illuminates attitudes to the stones in later times? if you page down there's a section that mentions this http://www.archaeologyuk.org/ba/ba103/feat2.shtml (stone destruction) Like someone said before the government won't fund it, so we need a modern keiller, a Branston type with money to burn, someone who knows their money is for something bigger than them, someone who knows the keiller story and wants to finish what he started, I mean i wouldn't know Keillers name if it wasn't for his great work at Avebury, we should write a letter to all the British Billionares because they have the money but lots would love to make a name for themselves away from the business field, look at the muppets on dragons den going for the fame because it was the one thing that's hard to buy, If someone did put up the cash i think they'd become a national hero to some by doing it, if you don't ask you don't get, you'd just need to make them realise how great they'd look by doing it. Branston - then we would be in a pickle! :) He knows his onions though :-) I bet he wouldn't worry unduly about leaving all the layers in tact ;) There's no layers in mustard pickle, erm, pickle mustard, erm.. Doh...... Those onions in vinegar - was it SARSENS? :) Darn I was virgin on saying that :-) Just for the record my train of thought was like a big balloon.
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nigelswift 8112 posts |
Jan 22, 2013, 17:11
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It's obvious. Who has loadsa dosh to invest in "The Great Restoration - making Avebury Live Again Just Like it used to, Approximately" - the Beeb! Forget Time Team, this is archaeology with balls. Inside a year it could look like it ought to (says the voice-over bloke) Why the beeb? Because they have a track record - remember their collaboration with Atkinson at Silbury in the sixties? State of the art technology, spectacular results, no mistakes.... ;)
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bladup 1986 posts |
Jan 22, 2013, 17:14
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This from Mustard really says it all i think "But Avebury certainly isn't being hermetically preserved, it's a massive tourist attraction with car parks and restaurants and a road and everything. Why not change it one thing at a time, a tweak here and there, a bit of information gleaned here and there, building on previous knowledge, moving forward slowly but surely. Not treating the place like some kind of prehistoric recreation attraction." - bloody brilliant i say.
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bladup 1986 posts |
Jan 22, 2013, 17:20
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Mustard wrote: nigelswift wrote: Rhiannon wrote: It's the precautionary principle. It's that we actually can't and don't know what those things might be. It's like if you spoke to a victorian antiquarian and asked them to not dig up the barrows because they were spoiling the stratigraphy and the carbon dating evidence and the chance of running some geophys over it. He couldn't imagine what you were talking about because to his eyes, he'd found a bit of charred bone and measured a skull's proportions and ooh there's a gold torc, what more would anyone want........... It's that the 'resource' (ie all the archaeological information under the ground) is finite at Avebury. So yes you can dig (as they did at one part of the purported Beckhampton avenue) but you can only dig a bit at a time. You learn something this time. But you leave a bit left so people can learn stuff in the future. So yes, you can dig, you can 'restore' (provided you know what was originally there to restore it, I suppose) - but you don't take a unique and nationally (internationally?) important site like Avebury and dig it all up, restore it all up, at once. Have you been reading my mind again? I'd only add 2 small points - 1. it is because of all you've expressed that I tried to say something early on in this discussion to the effect that anything that's done at Avebury has to be a compromise between what we naturally would like to see done in our time and what is left for the future to do better in it's time. A compromise being the only way such irreconcilable interests, those of us and those of posterity, can be eve be resolved. 2. it is why, for the same reason, EH's guff talks of sampling around 2.5% when investigating a site - or it might have been 5%, it's donkeys years since I read it. Anyway, the thinking is well established worldwide, eat only a bit of the pie else there'll be no unchewed pie left for the great grandchildren. And it's important to keep in mind "we" are the minority compared with the future so we ought to take a very modest slice in all fairness. I think we need to determine what we're specifically concerned with though. Because again, if I understand correctly, it's only medieval archaeology that's at risk. And I have to say, I *personally* rate the importance of the medieval archaeology at Avebury way below the advantage of restoring the stones. "I *personally* rate the importance of the medieval archaeology at Avebury way below the advantage of restoring the stones" - I Definitely agree with this and it's important that this is the way it stays, else we'll never see them up again, there's plenty of medieval archaeology there's only one Avebury!!!
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Littlestone 5386 posts |
Jan 22, 2013, 18:32
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Seems like most of us would like to see at least some re-erection (noting that at least one person doesn’t want to see any re-erection and others would like to see a total re-erection). So (correct me if I’m wrong) some excavation/re-erection (think there are a few stones that could be re-erected without much if any excavation by the way) is OK with most of us. Trouble is, as with other threads, we discuss issues and then do little or nothing to implement what we think should be implemented...
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Sanctuary 4670 posts |
Jan 22, 2013, 18:41
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Littlestone wrote: Seems like most of us would like to see at least some re-erection (noting that at least one person doesn’t want to see any re-erection and others would like to see a total re-erection). So (correct me if I’m wrong) some excavation/re-erection (think there are a few stones that could be re-erected without much if any excavation by the way) is OK with most of us. Trouble is, as with other threads, we discuss issues and then do little or nothing to implement what we think should be implemented... Would you like to make suggestions or recommendations LS? I'm up for making some sort of a move.
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bladup 1986 posts |
Edited Jan 22, 2013, 18:43
Jan 22, 2013, 18:41
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Littlestone wrote: Seems like most of us would like to see at least some re-erection (noting that at least one person doesn’t want to see any re-erection and others would like to see a total re-erection). So (correct me if I’m wrong) some excavation/re-erection (think there are a few stones that could be re-erected without much if any excavation by the way) is OK with most of us. Trouble is, as with other threads, we discuss issues and then do little or nothing to implement what we think should be implemented... It's because you distract us with talk of "total re - erections" and it all gets a little too exciting, good summary though.
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