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Littlestone 5386 posts |
Jan 21, 2013, 15:11
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Mustard wrote: By way of a practical and recent example to illustrate the point, does anyone really feel that a muddy piece of churned up ground was preferable to this? http://www.isleofalbion.co.uk/sites/131/the_devil%27s_quoit.php No more than the Staffordshire Hoard should have been left in its own muddy piece of churned up ground. Thankfully, the Hoard is now safe and not only giving the world a glimpse into the wonders of Anglo-Saxon craftsmanship but also filling in yet another gap in our understanding of that period. We could apply the same argument to this discussion.
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Sanctuary 4670 posts |
Edited Jan 21, 2013, 17:01
Jan 21, 2013, 15:43
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Littlestone wrote: Mustard wrote: By way of a practical and recent example to illustrate the point, does anyone really feel that a muddy piece of churned up ground was preferable to this? http://www.isleofalbion.co.uk/sites/131/the_devil%27s_quoit.php No more than the Staffordshire Hoard should have been left in its own muddy piece of churned up ground. Thankfully, the Hoard is now safe and not only giving the world a glimpse into the wonders of Anglo-Saxon craftsmanship but also filling in yet another gap in our understanding of that period. We could apply the same argument to this discussion. Exactly Avebury 'appears' to have been a carefully planned project taking many years to complete. I don't have any doubts that there was a basic blueprint in mind but of course have no way of proving that. Much of it we know of and marvel at and maybe form opinions on judged by what we can see. I wonder if those ideas would be enhanced or changed in any way if it was complete and we could walk up the Beckhampton Avenue, through and around the Great Circle, then down the WKA and finally arriving at the Sanctuary on Overton Hill. Just the thought of it's planning, organising, building and moment of completion makes the mind boggle and constantly brings home to me how amazing our great ancestors were. All of that was left for us and we as a Nation have a duty to maintain and preserve it on their behalf because they are no longer here to do it for themselves. Those in the more recent past that took it upon themselves to abuse that duty are also gone, but now, due to advances in technology and a far greater understanding of our past, have a real chance to retify the situation and put back that which they tore down or destroyed where possible.
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bladup 1986 posts |
Jan 21, 2013, 16:50
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Sanctuary wrote: bladup wrote: Sanctuary wrote: bladup wrote: Littlestone wrote: Well said. As no-one’s addressed my point that, “If these stones were Roman statues they would not lay fallen or buried for long; they would be excavated, restored, conserved and put on display – yet these massive, megalithic artefacts from our distance past, selected with care and hauled considerable distances, are allowed to remain fallen or buried at Avebury.” so I’ll ask the question again – why? Is it because they’re deemed of lesser importance than a Roman statue? (sad and misguided if it is). Is it because landowners don’t want people tramping round in their fields? Or is because some residents of Avebury don’t want more visitors in their village? Probably all three, and maybe more. Sad though isn’t it. Sad that a World Heritage Site of such importance and of such hidden potential should suffer from such narrow mindedness (and I make no apology for using that term) and the selfish interests of the few. Stukeley said it all, and again I make no apology for quoting him (his words should be carved on a plaque and nailed somewhere prominent in Avebury for all to see). “And this stupendous fabric, which for some thousands of years, had brav'd the continual assaults of weather, and by the nature of it, when left to itself, like the pyramids of Egypt, would have lasted as long as the globe, hath fallen a sacrifice to the wretched ignorance and avarice of a little village unluckily plac'd within it.” Time we made our mind up on this. Do we want the blinkered, the NIMBY-ites and those who can’t see further than their next paycheque telling the rest of us what’s good for them or do we elevate ‘this stupendous fabric’ of a World Heritage Site to the status it so right deserves but has sadly so long been denied. Make it about money and it'll never happen, make it about peoples dreams and time and it will, it's gonna happen at one point in the not to distant future, i can feel it in my bones, this is the best discussion i've ever read on here! The thing which REALLY surprises me is that many many people that I meet in everyday life have never heard of Avebury and even less about Silbury Hill. I find this really odd, especially now that Avebury is rightfully (in my opinion) placed higher in status than Stonehenge which the world and his wife know about! That is strange because in the east where i come from [Lincoln] it's just as far as where i am now [Cornwall] but lots know of the place and lots from that way head there for the solstices, i've talked to people there from sheffield, chesterfield, Worksop, mansfield, Lincoln, scunthorpe even lot's from Wales but never cornwall. They'd flock there if they sold decent pasties. That's another stall we could have on top of Silbury :-) The Avebury Pastie would have to have something special buried inside it!!!
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bladup 1986 posts |
Jan 21, 2013, 16:54
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Sanctuary wrote: Littlestone wrote: Mustard wrote: By way of a practical and recent example to illustrate the point, does anyone really feel that a muddy piece of churned up ground was preferable to this? http://www.isleofalbion.co.uk/sites/131/the_devil%27s_quoit.php No more than the Staffordshire Hoard should have been left in its own muddy piece of churned up ground. Thankfully, the Hoard is now safe and not only giving the world a glimpse into the wonders of Anglo-Saxon craftsmanship but also filling in yet another gap in our understanding of that period. We could apply the same argument to this discussion. Exactly and without the use of an MD :-) Avebury 'appears' to have been a carefully planned project taking many years to complete. I don't have any doubts that there was a basic blueprint in mind but of course have no way of proving that. Much of it we know of and marvel at and maybe form opinions on judged by what we can see. I wonder if those ideas would be enhanced or changed in any way if it was complete and we could walk up the Beckhampton Avenue, through and around the Great Circle, then down the WKA and finally arriving at the Sanctuary on Overton Hill. Just the thought of it's planning, organising, building and moment of completion makes the mind boggle and constantly brings home to me how amazing our great ancestors were. All of that was left for us and we as a Nation have a duty to maintain and preserve it on their behalf because they are no longer here to do it for themselves. Those in the more recent past that took it upon themselves to abuse that duty are also gone, but now, due to advances in technology and a far greater understanding of our past, have a real chance to retify the situation and put back that which they tore down or destroyed where possible. Bloody hell, you're on fire, inspirational words.
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Sanctuary 4670 posts |
Jan 21, 2013, 17:03
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bladup wrote: Sanctuary wrote: Littlestone wrote: Mustard wrote: By way of a practical and recent example to illustrate the point, does anyone really feel that a muddy piece of churned up ground was preferable to this? http://www.isleofalbion.co.uk/sites/131/the_devil%27s_quoit.php No more than the Staffordshire Hoard should have been left in its own muddy piece of churned up ground. Thankfully, the Hoard is now safe and not only giving the world a glimpse into the wonders of Anglo-Saxon craftsmanship but also filling in yet another gap in our understanding of that period. We could apply the same argument to this discussion. Exactly and without the use of an MD :-) Avebury 'appears' to have been a carefully planned project taking many years to complete. I don't have any doubts that there was a basic blueprint in mind but of course have no way of proving that. Much of it we know of and marvel at and maybe form opinions on judged by what we can see. I wonder if those ideas would be enhanced or changed in any way if it was complete and we could walk up the Beckhampton Avenue, through and around the Great Circle, then down the WKA and finally arriving at the Sanctuary on Overton Hill. Just the thought of it's planning, organising, building and moment of completion makes the mind boggle and constantly brings home to me how amazing our great ancestors were. All of that was left for us and we as a Nation have a duty to maintain and preserve it on their behalf because they are no longer here to do it for themselves. Those in the more recent past that took it upon themselves to abuse that duty are also gone, but now, due to advances in technology and a far greater understanding of our past, have a real chance to retify the situation and put back that which they tore down or destroyed where possible. Bloody hell, you're on fire, inspirational words. Not for long, there'll be a queue lining up with buckets of water! :-)
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bladup 1986 posts |
Jan 21, 2013, 17:27
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Sanctuary wrote: bladup wrote: Sanctuary wrote: Littlestone wrote: Mustard wrote: By way of a practical and recent example to illustrate the point, does anyone really feel that a muddy piece of churned up ground was preferable to this? http://www.isleofalbion.co.uk/sites/131/the_devil%27s_quoit.php No more than the Staffordshire Hoard should have been left in its own muddy piece of churned up ground. Thankfully, the Hoard is now safe and not only giving the world a glimpse into the wonders of Anglo-Saxon craftsmanship but also filling in yet another gap in our understanding of that period. We could apply the same argument to this discussion. Exactly and without the use of an MD :-) Avebury 'appears' to have been a carefully planned project taking many years to complete. I don't have any doubts that there was a basic blueprint in mind but of course have no way of proving that. Much of it we know of and marvel at and maybe form opinions on judged by what we can see. I wonder if those ideas would be enhanced or changed in any way if it was complete and we could walk up the Beckhampton Avenue, through and around the Great Circle, then down the WKA and finally arriving at the Sanctuary on Overton Hill. Just the thought of it's planning, organising, building and moment of completion makes the mind boggle and constantly brings home to me how amazing our great ancestors were. All of that was left for us and we as a Nation have a duty to maintain and preserve it on their behalf because they are no longer here to do it for themselves. Those in the more recent past that took it upon themselves to abuse that duty are also gone, but now, due to advances in technology and a far greater understanding of our past, have a real chance to retify the situation and put back that which they tore down or destroyed where possible. Bloody hell, you're on fire, inspirational words. Not for long, there'll be a queue lining up with buckets of water! :-) Get your umbrella ready, your ideas are what i believe/hope to be Aveburys near future.
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Harryshill 510 posts |
Jan 21, 2013, 22:25
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Can anybody show evidence that a buried Sarsen is likely to endure more damage than one that standing and subject to weathering?
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harestonesdown 1067 posts |
Jan 21, 2013, 22:29
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Harryshill wrote: Can anybody show evidence that a buried Sarsen is likely to endure more damage than one that standing and subject to weathering? Well everything has a finite life so maybe the question should be how much life are you taking off the stone by re-erecting it. ?
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Harryshill 510 posts |
Jan 21, 2013, 22:32
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Lol. Your stalling. Raising the stones won't protect them and you know it
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harestonesdown 1067 posts |
Jan 21, 2013, 22:36
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Harryshill wrote: Lol. Your stalling. Raising the stones won't protect them and you know it I know it wont, though i'm of the view they wouldn't need protecting. Let's say a buried piece of sarsen would last 10 million years, though it'd never be seen, a re-erected piece lasts 9 million years and is enjoyed by a countless number of people, is that a good trade off ? imo yes.
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