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Andrew Joseph
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Edited Jan 27, 2012, 10:23
Re: The Ridgeway Pilgrimage (Sacred Way)
Jan 27, 2012, 10:08
Thanks for raising these issues... This is a major concern for me... Sustainable tourism is a term much abused and the issues appear to a great extent intractable given the conflicting nature of the interested parties most interestingly WHS who appear to want people to look but not touch... I think things only retain there relevance to people because they are used in some way... William Morris (admittedly by way of Tony Wilson) once said: "Nothing useless can be truly beautiful" I believe The Ridgeway and the sites along its route to have beauty and majesty, I hope to awaken an interest in walking mindfully along the route whilst acknowledging and to a great extent incorporating the conflicted nature of the exercise... I know its difficult and has challenges but to the individual and the landscape, but to some extent that is the point of taking a "pilgrimage"?

As an aside I don't think it will mean a great mass of additional people walking the route...

VBB wrote:
tjj wrote:
thesweetcheat wrote:
VBB wrote:


Sadly 'walking' doesn't always just mean that when in connection with the Ridgeway - it also means parking.


Although the Swindon - Devizes bus can be used to access the Ridgeway (e.g. at Barbury) without a car.



Although I only really know the Uffington to Avebury section of the Ridgeway, I would say it is challenging getting up onto the Ridgeway by bus as it always involves an uphill walk. There is a bus from Swindon to Hungerford which goes through Ashbury where there is an uphill path which will take you near to Waylands Smithy and Uffington Hillfort. Barbury Castle is difficult ... there is a rare bus which serves a housing development built on the site of what was the RAF Princess Alexandra Hospital then an uphill walk or otherwise a much longer walk up from Wroughton, the Swindon to Devizes bus (49) does go through Wroughton.

Edited:


One can of course access the Ridgeway without parking nearby, but from kite fliers to dog walkers heaps of folk want to get there to do something, not do something to get there (if you know what I mean). Judged (unfairly perhaps) by the roadside parking adjacent to Adam's Grave on a Sunday morning (not all are 'walkers'), the state of the verge, and the impact on monuments (an example being Adam's Grave from people walking and in one case at least riding over it); parking is just one of the impacts that has to be considered.

Re modern walking pilgrimages what time of year is likely? Are they seasoned or inexperienced walkers? Do they know how quickly the weather can turn on the Downs? There is a lot to consider in this area. Some works I would probably look up would include books and pamphlets by Ken Watts and Adam Stout, both know the monuments very well, the former knows the Downs and routes like the back of his hand, and Adam has actually undertaken a long distance pilgrimage and did so in part study in relation to a historical theme.
VBB
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Re: The Ridgeway Pilgrimage (Sacred Way)
Jan 27, 2012, 10:15
tjj wrote:
thesweetcheat wrote:
VBB wrote:


Sadly 'walking' doesn't always just mean that when in connection with the Ridgeway - it also means parking.


Although the Swindon - Devizes bus can be used to access the Ridgeway (e.g. at Barbury) without a car.



Although I only really know the Uffington to Avebury section of the Ridgeway, I would say it is challenging getting up onto the Ridgeway by bus as it always involves an uphill walk. There is a bus from Swindon to Hungerford which goes through Ashbury where there is an uphill path which will take you near to Waylands Smithy and Uffington Hillfort. Barbury Castle is difficult ... there is a rare bus which serves a housing development built on the site of what was the RAF Princess Alexandra Hospital then an uphill walk or otherwise a much longer walk up from Wroughton, the Swindon to Devizes bus (49) does go through Wroughton.

Edited:


One can of course access the Ridgeway without parking nearby, but from kite fliers to dog walkers heaps of folk want to get there to do something, not do something to get there (if you know what I mean). Judged (unfairly perhaps) by the roadside parking adjacent to Adam's Grave on a Sunday morning (not all are 'walkers'), the state of the verge, and the impact on monuments (an example being Adam's Grave from people walking and in one case at least riding over it); parking is just one of the impacts that has to be considered.

Re modern walking pilgrimages what time of year is likely? Are they seasoned or inexperienced walkers? Do they know how quickly the weather can turn on the Downs? There is a lot to consider in this area. Some works I would probably look up would include books and pamphlets by Ken Watts and Adam Stout, both know the monuments very well, the former knows the Downs and routes like the back of his hand, and Adam has actually undertaken a long distance pilgrimage and did so in part study in relation to a historical theme.
Andrew Joseph
13 posts

Re: The Ridgeway Pilgrimage (Sacred Way)
Jan 27, 2012, 10:30
ah yes water... I walked the Ridgeway free camping last year... I was unable to complete because the water taps indicated didn't work and the added burden of carrying 4-6 ltrs of water + an extra 8 miles off and on the Ridgeway to buy the water ... but it was a usful lesson in the priorities of life :-) Thank you for your comment
Andrew Joseph
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Re: The Ridgeway Pilgrimage (Sacred Way)
Jan 27, 2012, 10:34
Hi thanks for taking time to post...

I understand the ambivalence, but accommodation along the way is an issue particularly affordable accommodation...
Andrew Joseph
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Edited Jan 27, 2012, 10:41
Re: The Ridgeway Pilgrimage (Sacred Way)
Jan 27, 2012, 10:41
At this stage I am envisaging a guide to making the way by foot on your own or in a small group... but for the future... pack horse sound like an amazing way (esp to do the whole 362 mls of the Greater Ridgeway!) are you interested in walking the route?
moss
moss
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Re: The Ridgeway Pilgrimage (Sacred Way)
Jan 27, 2012, 16:40
Andrew Joseph wrote:
At this stage I am envisaging a guide to making the way by foot on your own or in a small group... but for the future... pack horse sound like an amazing way (esp to do the whole 362 mls of the Greater Ridgeway!) are you interested in walking the route?


Actually I would not mind but my companion is not a great walker but I am fascinated by the idea of a pilgrimage, and it seems to me the walking bit comes under the heading of 'the slow movement' brigade and in walking the Ridgeway over a period of time, you would receive a greater understanding of the down land and prehistoric landscape.
Always thought a packhorse/horse would be useful in seeing all the Prescelli sites as well...
Anyway good luck with your guide.....
VBB
558 posts

Re: The Ridgeway Pilgrimage (Sacred Way)
Jan 27, 2012, 17:29
Andrew Joseph wrote:
Thanks for raising these issues... This is a major concern for me... Sustainable tourism is a term much abused and the issues appear to a great extent intractable given the conflicting nature of the interested parties most interestingly WHS who appear to want people to look but not touch... I think things only retain there relevance to people because they are used in some way... William Morris (admittedly by way of Tony Wilson) once said: "Nothing useless can be truly beautiful" I believe The Ridgeway and the sites along its route to have beauty and majesty, I hope to awaken an interest in walking mindfully along the route whilst acknowledging and to a great extent incorporating the conflicted nature of the exercise... I know its difficult and has challenges but to the individual and the landscape, but to some extent that is the point of taking a "pilgrimage"?

As an aside I don't think it will mean a great mass of additional people walking the route...



I don't think you are talking about a lot of people either, but one has to consider the problems that already exist that any increase/changes in visitor numbers/patterns may exacerbate. Hence it is particularly interesting that your impression of the WHS is look but don't touch, which is not how I see it. More visit, look, touch, but don't climb on the monuments or park your car on the verges as there's irreplaceable archaeology all over the place.
rocket
rocket
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Re: The Ridgeway Pilgrimage (Sacred Way)
Jan 27, 2012, 21:29
The Ridgeway National Trail guide does break the Ridgeway route into about 12 sections of roughly 10miles each which is a good place to start with.

Andrew, I have dropped you a quick email as my Ridgeway Exhibition is based on a similar theme to your ideas.

Good luck.

Anna
flim
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Re: The Ridgeway Pilgrimage (Sacred Way)
Jan 28, 2012, 05:15
juamei wrote:
I have a book written in I think the 50s (at home, I'm at work) which describes walking the ridgeway. Apparently the largest material difficulty is water. As in you have to come off the ridgeway, in some cases several miles off the ridgeway, to find an available source of water.


Plenty of livestock troughs along the way.

http://backpackinglight.co.uk/product353.asp
Sanctuary
Sanctuary
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Re: The Ridgeway Pilgrimage (Sacred Way)
Jan 28, 2012, 11:44
flim wrote:
juamei wrote:
I have a book written in I think the 50s (at home, I'm at work) which describes walking the ridgeway. Apparently the largest material difficulty is water. As in you have to come off the ridgeway, in some cases several miles off the ridgeway, to find an available source of water.


Plenty of livestock troughs along the way.

http://backpackinglight.co.uk/product353.asp


It's hard to imagine that our great ancestors would not have provided water along the way in some form if the Ridgeway was always intended to be a long distance route just for traders and the movement of armies as has been suggested. Unless of course it was originally intended to just link up local communities and not as a major neolithic highway but just grew in size. In that case water would not have been a prerequisite as the then farming community (supposedly) would have no reason to travel huge distances.
I have two books on the Ridgeway Path, The Oldest Road and Elizabeth Cull's Walks Along The Ridgway and also R.Hippisley-Cox's 1914 book The Green Roads of England that gives it great mention and is a joy to read.
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