moss
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Re: Gobekli Tepe...Turkey
Dec 24, 2012, 12:45
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" it can never be absolute "
Absolutely, that is why it makes the world such a marvellous place to live in ;)
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Littlestone
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Edited Dec 24, 2012, 12:48
Re: Gobekli Tepe...Turkey
Dec 24, 2012, 12:46
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Jeeze Sanctuary, you’re getting as pedantic as me (see moss’ profile ;-) On that point I beg to differ though; you can spell mortise with a c but it’s actually a variation of mortise. The OED gives it as -
mortise /0?m?:t?s/ noun & verb. Also -ice. LME.
[ORIGIN Old French mortoise (mod. mortaise) = Spanish mortaja, perh. from Arabic murtaj locked, place of locking.]
A noun. A cavity or recess in a framework into which the end of some other part is fitted to form a joint; spec. in Carpentry, a (usu. rectangular) recess cut in the surface of a piece of timber etc. to receive a tenon. Also, a groove or slot in or through which to put a rope, an adjustable pin, etc. LME.
mortise and tenon, tenon and mortise a joint composed of a mortise and a tenon; the method of joining pieces of wood etc. with a mortise and a tenon.
[ORIGIN Old French mortoise (mod. mortaise) = Spanish mortaja, perh. from Arabic murtaj locked, place of locking.]
mortise and tenon, tenon and mortise a joint composed of a mortise and a tenon; the method of joining pieces of wood etc. with a mortise and a tenon.
Great book on Japanese joinery by the way is ART OF JAPANESE JOINERY - think you’d love it :-)
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Littlestone
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Re: Gobekli Tepe...Turkey
Dec 24, 2012, 12:51
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tiompan wrote: Of course ,it only pushes back the earliest date of a particular type . Just as if we find an earlier mortice and tenon in stone tomorrow it only means it preceded the earliest , as yet , wooden ones . it can never be absolute .
Never say never ;-) Meanwhile I’m happy with the possibility that the technique existed in stone before it did in wood.
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Sanctuary
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Re: Gobekli Tepe...Turkey
Dec 24, 2012, 12:53
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Littlestone wrote: Jeeze Sanctuary, you’re getting as pedantic as me (see moss’ profile ;-) On that point I beg to differ though; you can spell mortise with a c but it’s actually a variation of mortise. The OED gives it as -
mortise /0?m?:t?s/ noun & verb. Also -ice. LME.
[ORIGIN Old French mortoise (mod. mortaise) = Spanish mortaja, perh. from Arabic murtaj locked, place of locking.]
A noun. A cavity or recess in a framework into which the end of some other part is fitted to form a joint; spec. in Carpentry, a (usu. rectangular) recess cut in the surface of a piece of timber etc. to receive a tenon. Also, a groove or slot in or through which to put a rope, an adjustable pin, etc. LME.
mortise and tenon, tenon and mortise a joint composed of a mortise and a tenon; the method of joining pieces of wood etc. with a mortise and a tenon.
[ORIGIN Old French mortoise (mod. mortaise) = Spanish mortaja, perh. from Arabic murtaj locked, place of locking.]
mortise and tenon, tenon and mortise a joint composed of a mortise and a tenon; the method of joining pieces of wood etc. with a mortise and a tenon.
Great book on Japanese joinery by the way is ART OF JAPANESE JOINERY - think you’d love it :-)
I can remember my old pal Graham as an apprentice getting a rollicking for spelling it with an S by one of our Southampon college tutors :-).
He was the guy who said that bricklayers worked to the nearest inch...mechanics to the nearest thou....but joiners, well we worked SPOT ON!!! LOL
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Littlestone
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Re: Gobekli Tepe...Turkey
Dec 24, 2012, 12:55
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Great story, and I know exactly where you’re coming from (had an almost identical experience in Egypt myself). Then there’s the story of only one of my shoes being polished by a kid shoeshine boy outside Luxor Temple... that’s for another time...
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Littlestone
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Re: Gobekli Tepe...Turkey
Dec 24, 2012, 12:58
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Aye, what is it with masters torturing their apprentices. Was in tears once for not getting the spacing to something right :-(
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tiompan
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Re: Gobekli Tepe...Turkey
Dec 24, 2012, 13:06
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tiompan wrote: Littlestone wrote: tiompan wrote:
Nice link tiompan, though it doesn’t really prove that mortise and tenon joints in wood preceded those in stone – just that those in the well preceded those at Stonehenge.
Of course ,it only pushes back the earliest date of a particular type . Just as if we find an earlier mortice and tenon in stone tomorrow it only means it preceded the earliest , as yet , wooden ones . it can never be absolute .
The problem is taphonomic , one is far more likely to have survived than the other . So even if we did have the earliest dated in stone , the chippies will always have a decent claim . As it stands they have the bragging rights .
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Littlestone
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Edited Dec 24, 2012, 13:44
Re: Gobekli Tepe...Turkey
Dec 24, 2012, 13:42
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tiompan wrote: The problem is taphonomic , one is far more likely to have survived than the other . So even if we did have the earliest dated in stone , the chippies will always have a decent claim . As it stands they have the bragging rights .
Could always build your hopes on a fossilized mortise and tenon find ;-)
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Sanctuary
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Re: Gobekli Tepe...Turkey
Dec 24, 2012, 13:54
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Littlestone wrote: tiompan wrote: The problem is taphonomic , one is far more likely to have survived than the other . So even if we did have the earliest dated in stone , the chippies will always have a decent claim . As it stands they have the bragging rights .
Could always build your hopes on a fossilized mortise and tenon find ;-)
As long as the chippy isn't fossilized next to it :-)
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tiompan
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Re: Gobekli Tepe...Turkey
Dec 24, 2012, 13:55
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Littlestone wrote: tiompan wrote: The problem is taphonomic , one is far more likely to have survived than the other . So even if we did have the earliest dated in stone , the chippies will always have a decent claim . As it stands they have the bragging rights .
Could always build your hopes on a fossilized mortise and tenon find ;-)
Their hopes . I don't mind whoever comes out earliest , no axe to grind . coat .
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