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tiompan
tiompan
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Slaggyford Stones .
Sep 04, 2011, 18:38
They certainly don't look like cup marks of any description . Those holes are quite common and are often confused with cup marks . I could post examples of local ones . Cup marks tend to be like inverted cones whilst these have sharper edges with the sides being more vertical rather than sloping . They don't look like standing stones either .
Sanctuary
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Re: Slaggyford Stones .
Sep 09, 2011, 07:09
tiompan wrote:
They certainly don't look like cup marks of any description . Those holes are quite common and are often confused with cup marks . I could post examples of local ones . Cup marks tend to be like inverted cones whilst these have sharper edges with the sides being more vertical rather than sloping . They don't look like standing stones either .


Hi George,
Are many of those natural recumbent stones (as against those that are known to have fallen) we see with cup marks in various other locations ever lifted to see if they have any on the underside?
tiompan
tiompan
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Re: Slaggyford Stones .
Sep 09, 2011, 08:19
Sanctuary wrote:
tiompan wrote:
They certainly don't look like cup marks of any description . Those holes are quite common and are often confused with cup marks . I could post examples of local ones . Cup marks tend to be like inverted cones whilst these have sharper edges with the sides being more vertical rather than sloping . They don't look like standing stones either .


Hi George,
Are many of those natural recumbent stones (as against those that are known to have fallen) we see with cup marks in various other locations ever lifted to see if they have any on the underside?


Hi Roy ,there has been some limited excavations in this country around marked boulders that are not bed rock (be rock ahs been excavated too ) but none have been inverted unless they were small enough .In the cases of genuine standing stones still standing with markings there are examples where both sides have been marked .The sequence is intriguing enough when the markings are on one side i.e. was the rock marked in situ then quarried and erected , the most likely sequence , or quarried then marked .When the markings are on both sides ,(sometimes the sides of the stones too therefore 3or 4 sides as is the case at Nether largie ) clearly on one side could have been done in situ but the stone could then have been turned over .
Sanctuary
Sanctuary
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Re: Slaggyford Stones .
Sep 09, 2011, 09:22
tiompan wrote:
Sanctuary wrote:
tiompan wrote:
They certainly don't look like cup marks of any description . Those holes are quite common and are often confused with cup marks . I could post examples of local ones . Cup marks tend to be like inverted cones whilst these have sharper edges with the sides being more vertical rather than sloping . They don't look like standing stones either .


Hi George,
Are many of those natural recumbent stones (as against those that are known to have fallen) we see with cup marks in various other locations ever lifted to see if they have any on the underside?


Hi Roy ,there has been some limited excavations in this country around marked boulders that are not bed rock (be rock ahs been excavated too ) but none have been inverted unless they were small enough .In the cases of genuine standing stones still standing with markings there are examples where both sides have been marked .The sequence is intriguing enough when the markings are on one side i.e. was the rock marked in situ then quarried and erected , the most likely sequence , or quarried then marked .When the markings are on both sides ,(sometimes the sides of the stones too therefore 3or 4 sides as is the case at Nether largie ) clearly on one side could have been done in situ but the stone could then have been turned over .


Thanks George. I find myself looking out for examples now, something I've never done before!! Judging by all your reports you certainly have a 'nose' for finding it!! Well done you.
StoneGloves
StoneGloves
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Re: Slaggyford Stones .
Sep 09, 2011, 11:04
I'm afraid you're going to be more specific than that. Which stones do you mean? As I've listed several different stones, that are as far as half a mile apart, it is difficult to understand which ones you are referring to when you say they are common features on stones.

How are you able to tell the profile of the cupmarks on the stones from my poor photographs. The Slaggyford Stones are a couple of standing stones - one about five feet high, marked on two sides, very eroded, and the second just a couple of feet high. There's only the photos of one of those stones on that site page, so how are you able to deduce that 'they don't look like standing stones to me'. You would need to visit them to form a valid opinion, surely.

You have shown me that a group of boulders, that have been quarried, carved and arranged, would be unique in the British archaeological record. Eventually I may be grateful for that insight but, at the moment, am simply irritated. I do wish that I had taken a simple GPS handset on the fell to record their location accurately and I do wish I had the ability to return to these stones to take proper photographs. It could be that these carved stones are the crumbs amongst the larger monuments I have found and that I should concentrate on these more.

I do have more photographs but they are in very deep storage indeed. I don't think I've ever posted a pic of the Pogglestone, which is on the Cumbria-Northumberland border, nor do I recall posting a picture of the smaller of the two standing stones, which has two conventional cupmarks on one facet. I've found a few standing stones and this is the first time anyone has said 'it's not a standing stone'. It's like pointing to the sea and saying 'that's a motorway filling station' (ie it's ridiculous). The larger of these Slaggyford stones has quite an atmosphere - but you have to get past some devious and difficult farmers before you can see it. It's neither near a footpath nor under Right To Roam. But it is aligned and, from there, you can see maybe fifty miles, which is a long way in those hills ...
tiompan
tiompan
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Re: Slaggyford Stones .
Sep 09, 2011, 11:51
StoneGloves wrote:
I'm afraid you're going to be more specific than that. Which stones do you mean? As I've listed several different stones, that are as far as half a mile apart, it is difficult to understand which ones you are referring to when you say they are common features on stones.

How are you able to tell the profile of the cupmarks on the stones from my poor photographs. The Slaggyford Stones are a couple of standing stones - one about five feet high, marked on two sides, very eroded, and the second just a couple of feet high. There's only the photos of one of those stones on that site page, so how are you able to deduce that 'they don't look like standing stones to me'. You would need to visit them to form a valid opinion, surely.

You have shown me that a group of boulders, that have been quarried, carved and arranged, would be unique in the British archaeological record. Eventually I may be grateful for that insight but, at the moment, am simply irritated. I do wish that I had taken a simple GPS handset on the fell to record their location accurately and I do wish I had the ability to return to these stones to take proper photographs. It could be that these carved stones are the crumbs amongst the larger monuments I have found and that I should concentrate on these more.

I do have more photographs but they are in very deep storage indeed. I don't think I've ever posted a pic of the Pogglestone, which is on the Cumbria-Northumberland border, nor do I recall posting a picture of the smaller of the two standing stones, which has two conventional cupmarks on one facet. I've found a few standing stones and this is the first time anyone has said 'it's not a standing stone'. It's like pointing to the sea and saying 'that's a motorway filling station' (ie it's ridiculous). The larger of these Slaggyford stones has quite an atmosphere - but you have to get past some devious and difficult farmers before you can see it. It's neither near a footpath nor under Right To Roam. But it is aligned and, from there, you can see maybe fifty miles, which is a long way in those hills ...


There was a group of pics posted on 4th September these are the ones I was referring to ., the comments were posted on the same day and soon after the pics were posted so it would have been clear enough what was being referred to .On the page for the “Slaggyford stones “ pics 1,3 4 & 5 look much the same ,despite being low quality they are recognisable enough . I doubt anyone who knows anything about rock art having seen these stones or the pics would suggest that the markings were man made . These markings are natural and quite common . Even when cups are small they still show much the same profile of larger cups , that of an inverted cone , the sides are not vertical and edges not sharply defined , the examples in the pics and other natural examples are not like that . By your own admission and the fact that you enquired about the small cup marks it is clear you have little experience in seeing rock art in the flesh ,once you have seen a few hundred examples you begin to get an eye .
I hope it’s all right with the eds and post a few pics of common type of markings often confused with man made markings and remove them in a couple of days . Only the stone by the fence could be described as looking anything like a standing stone and these can be encountered on a daily basis whilst wandering the countryside , TMA would double it’s gallery in no time if everyone contributed similar examples . Having an atmosphere is not a valid assessment of typology and "being aligned " is meaningless everything can be said to be "aligned " with anything in it's viewshed .
StoneGloves
StoneGloves
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Re: Slaggyford Stones .
Sep 09, 2011, 12:46
I'm sorry that you have quoted my post entirely, without taking a little time to digest what I wrote. I wonder if you could briefly summarise your qualifications, please? I did the same a couple of weeks ago and feel it is only fair, now. that you should do the same. Where did you study for your undergraduate degree? Which formal surveys have you taken part in? And so on ...
tiompan
tiompan
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Re: Slaggyford Stones .
Sep 09, 2011, 13:28
StoneGloves wrote:
I'm sorry that you have quoted my post entirely, without taking a little time to digest what I wrote. I wonder if you could briefly summarise your qualifications, please? I did the same a couple of weeks ago and feel it is only fair, now. that you should do the same. Where did you study for your undergraduate degree? Which formal surveys have you taken part in? And so on ...


The topic is recognising ,or mistakenly recognsing , rock art . There is no degree for this . By your own admission you have no experience of rock art in the field having only seen the Calderstones and some examples in museums .

What do you mean by formal surveys ?
tiompan
tiompan
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Re: Slaggyford Stones .
Sep 09, 2011, 16:47
Here is some info for a rock that must be close to the Slaggyford examples with the same type of markings . Well recorded with clear pics and equally decisive evaluation of "not rock art " .

http://archaeologydataservice.ac.uk/era/section/panel/overview.jsf?eraId=1366

http://archaeologydataservice.ac.uk/era/section/panel/media.jsf?eraId=1366
StoneGloves
StoneGloves
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Re: Slaggyford Stones .
Sep 09, 2011, 19:44
I'm afraid we'll have to disagree. If you look at the colour photograph, on the 'Knaresdale 1' page, you'll see many walls. They're the ones that I used to rebuild and repair. The house, down in the valley, is where I used to live. It's just called the Knar.

It's a pity the surveyors didn't look further, as the two standing stones are just a little way further on. The smaller one has what could be called a pair of conventional cupmarks. But then maybe they would just think they were glacial erratics that landed the right way up.
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