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tjj 3606 posts |
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/gd/episode/b00w0dqx/hd/Ancient_Worlds_Come_Together/ Historian Dr Richard Miles explores the origins of civilisation, starting with the cities of ancient Mesopotamia 6,000 years ago. He visits Uruk, in southern Iraq before travelling to Syria, Egypt, Anatolia and southern Greece, tracing Bronze Age developments in agriculture, writing and trade ... oh, and city-building. Very good indeed, Dr Richard Miles has a fresh, understated approach to presentation. PS: The link to the programme is in English - though looks like Welsh, perhaps??
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The Sea Cat 3608 posts |
Edited Nov 16, 2010, 15:23
Nov 16, 2010, 15:01
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Unfortunately, his views of Ancient Egypt were woefully inaccurate, and this put me off watching any further. To casually dismiss such a fascinating and civilised culture as xenophobic, and obsessed with death and the occult was a very poor and misleading historical analysis. As well as being highly learned and philosophically advanced, they were under constant threat from neighbouring envious civilisations, and would only go to war to protect their borders. The Babylonians, however, when encountering any stranger would rip out their tongue and disembowel them on the spot, no questions asked, regardless of age and gender. The Assyrians were equally warlike, agressive and unpleasant. He didn't seem to understand historical context in the case of the Egyptians, that's for sure! Apologies for yet abother grumpy post tjj, from a disgruntled History buff and Michael Woods fan ! :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGMqGaarvzs&feature=related ps. to no one in particular : the Pyrammids were not built by slaves either, but by generations of skilled artisans and labourers, who were very well paid and accommodated! edited
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Sanctuary 4670 posts |
Nov 16, 2010, 15:23
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The Sea Cat wrote: Unfortunately, his views of Ancient Egypt were woefully inaccurate, and this put me off watching any further. To casually dismiss such a fascinating and civilised culture as xenophobic, and obsessed with death and the occult was a very poor and misleading historical analysis. As well as being highly learned and philosophically advanced, they were under constant threat from neighbouring envious civilisations, and would only go to war to protect their borders. The Babylonians, however, when encountering any stranger would rip out their tongue and disembowel them on the spot, no questions asked, regardless of age and gender. He didn't seem to understand historical context in the case of the Egyptians, that's for sure! Apologies for yet abother grumpy post tjj, from a disgruntled History buff and Michael Woods fan ! :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGMqGaarvzs&feature=related It never ceases to surprise me how many apparent 'experts' can conflict so much in all walks of life. I haven't got a clue who's right or wrong here SC/tjj but we look toward the experts to guide us so much these days don't we that maybe we accept everything they say too readily.
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The Sea Cat 3608 posts |
Nov 16, 2010, 15:27
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Sanctuary wrote: The Sea Cat wrote: Unfortunately, his views of Ancient Egypt were woefully inaccurate, and this put me off watching any further. To casually dismiss such a fascinating and civilised culture as xenophobic, and obsessed with death and the occult was a very poor and misleading historical analysis. As well as being highly learned and philosophically advanced, they were under constant threat from neighbouring envious civilisations, and would only go to war to protect their borders. The Babylonians, however, when encountering any stranger would rip out their tongue and disembowel them on the spot, no questions asked, regardless of age and gender. He didn't seem to understand historical context in the case of the Egyptians, that's for sure! Apologies for yet abother grumpy post tjj, from a disgruntled History buff and Michael Woods fan ! :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGMqGaarvzs&feature=related It never ceases to surprise me how many apparent 'experts' can conflict so much in all walks of life. I haven't got a clue who's right or wrong here SC/tjj but we look toward the experts to guide us so much these days don't we that maybe we accept everything they say too readily. You're right there Sanctuary. I always like to do my own studying and research, whilst checking up on the reliabiltiy of sources and experts. That way you can get fairly good balanced knowledge. Too many nebulous pronouncements from tv 'experts' these days.
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Nov 16, 2010, 18:20
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The Sea Cat wrote: Unfortunately, his views of Ancient Egypt were woefully inaccurate, and this put me off watching any further. To casually dismiss such a fascinating and civilised culture as xenophobic, and obsessed with death and the occult was a very poor and misleading historical analysis. As well as being highly learned and philosophically advanced, they were under constant threat from neighbouring envious civilisations, and would only go to war to protect their borders. The Babylonians, however, when encountering any stranger would rip out their tongue and disembowel them on the spot, no questions asked, regardless of age and gender. The Assyrians were equally warlike, agressive and unpleasant. He didn't seem to understand historical context in the case of the Egyptians, that's for sure! Apologies for yet abother grumpy post tjj, from a disgruntled History buff and Michael Woods fan ! :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGMqGaarvzs&feature=related ps. to no one in particular : the Pyrammids were not built by slaves either, but by generations of skilled artisans and labourers, who were very well paid and accommodated! edited He was referring to Bronze Age Egypt and xenophobia , partly due to the Hyksos invasion , is fair comment for that period .
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The Sea Cat 3608 posts |
Nov 16, 2010, 18:25
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tiompan wrote: The Sea Cat wrote: Unfortunately, his views of Ancient Egypt were woefully inaccurate, and this put me off watching any further. To casually dismiss such a fascinating and civilised culture as xenophobic, and obsessed with death and the occult was a very poor and misleading historical analysis. As well as being highly learned and philosophically advanced, they were under constant threat from neighbouring envious civilisations, and would only go to war to protect their borders. The Babylonians, however, when encountering any stranger would rip out their tongue and disembowel them on the spot, no questions asked, regardless of age and gender. The Assyrians were equally warlike, agressive and unpleasant. He didn't seem to understand historical context in the case of the Egyptians, that's for sure! Apologies for yet abother grumpy post tjj, from a disgruntled History buff and Michael Woods fan ! :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGMqGaarvzs&feature=related ps. to no one in particular : the Pyrammids were not built by slaves either, but by generations of skilled artisans and labourers, who were very well paid and accommodated! edited He was referring to Bronze Age Egypt and xenophobia , partly due to the Hyksos invasion , is fair comment for that period . So, 'obsessed' by death and the occult is from the same period, I take it ? :-)
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Nov 16, 2010, 18:37
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The Sea Cat wrote: tiompan wrote: The Sea Cat wrote: Unfortunately, his views of Ancient Egypt were woefully inaccurate, and this put me off watching any further. To casually dismiss such a fascinating and civilised culture as xenophobic, and obsessed with death and the occult was a very poor and misleading historical analysis. As well as being highly learned and philosophically advanced, they were under constant threat from neighbouring envious civilisations, and would only go to war to protect their borders. The Babylonians, however, when encountering any stranger would rip out their tongue and disembowel them on the spot, no questions asked, regardless of age and gender. The Assyrians were equally warlike, agressive and unpleasant. He didn't seem to understand historical context in the case of the Egyptians, that's for sure! Apologies for yet abother grumpy post tjj, from a disgruntled History buff and Michael Woods fan ! :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGMqGaarvzs&feature=related ps. to no one in particular : the Pyrammids were not built by slaves either, but by generations of skilled artisans and labourers, who were very well paid and accommodated! edited He was referring to Bronze Age Egypt and xenophobia , partly due to the Hyksos invasion , is fair comment for that period . So, 'obsessed' by death and the occult is from the same period, I take it ? :-) I did specify the use of xenophobic as being appropriate for the period , the other two could also possibly apply to earlier periods but I didn't mention them .
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The Sea Cat 3608 posts |
Nov 16, 2010, 18:50
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tiompan wrote: The Sea Cat wrote: tiompan wrote: The Sea Cat wrote: Unfortunately, his views of Ancient Egypt were woefully inaccurate, and this put me off watching any further. To casually dismiss such a fascinating and civilised culture as xenophobic, and obsessed with death and the occult was a very poor and misleading historical analysis. As well as being highly learned and philosophically advanced, they were under constant threat from neighbouring envious civilisations, and would only go to war to protect their borders. The Babylonians, however, when encountering any stranger would rip out their tongue and disembowel them on the spot, no questions asked, regardless of age and gender. The Assyrians were equally warlike, agressive and unpleasant. He didn't seem to understand historical context in the case of the Egyptians, that's for sure! Apologies for yet abother grumpy post tjj, from a disgruntled History buff and Michael Woods fan ! :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGMqGaarvzs&feature=related ps. to no one in particular : the Pyrammids were not built by slaves either, but by generations of skilled artisans and labourers, who were very well paid and accommodated! edited He was referring to Bronze Age Egypt and xenophobia , partly due to the Hyksos invasion , is fair comment for that period . So, 'obsessed' by death and the occult is from the same period, I take it ? :-) I did specify the use of xenophobic as being appropriate for the period , the other two could also possibly apply to earlier periods but I didn't mention them . They were actually quite culturaly inclusive during this period, the Bronze Age, their height, in the same way that the future idea of Roman Citizenship became.
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tjj 3606 posts |
Edited Nov 16, 2010, 19:07
Nov 16, 2010, 18:51
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No problem TSC, I'm no expert on Ancient Egypt. The bit about Uruk was very interesting and I did enjoy seeing how writing (on clay tablets) evolved. The idea that people from that region, Mesopotamia, may have visited Britain to trade also intrigues. If you want to see REAL TOSH, may I recommend the film 10,000BC ... watched it Sunday on Channel 5. I always thought the pyramids were approximately 4,500 yrs old (similar to Silbury) but low and behold, there they were being built ... by slaves.
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tjj 3606 posts |
Edited Nov 16, 2010, 19:16
Nov 16, 2010, 19:13
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tjj wrote: If you want to see REAL TOSH, may I recommend the film 10,000BC ... watched it Sunday on Channel 5. I always thought the pyramids were approximately 4,500 yrs old (similar to Silbury) but low and behold, there they were being built ... by slaves. Having an attack of doubt now ... How old are the pyramids? This website seems to think 5,000yrs (though someone suggested 10,000BC) http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/pyramid/explore/howold.html
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