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Megalithics 199 posts |
Oct 11, 2010, 15:33
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StoneGloves wrote: A stone circle was nearby - in living memory and on the Victorian 6" maps - but that has been pulled out, leaving the stones in a pile. That really made us sad, we have so few decent megalithic sites in our area, to know that one was obliterated relatively recently so close to home, grrrr! A few years ago we were talking to the landowner of a beautifully intact four poster in Perthshire, and we mentioned that he must feel very lucky to have such a jewel on his land. He replied that no, if it were up to him he'd pull the stones out, seems the circle caused problems with his harvester as it was difficult to navigate around it. At first we thought he was winding us up, but they way he looked sadly at the circle, slowly shaking his head as he said "but they won't let me touch it" really did give us the chills. So, not only is the latent tendency for megalithic destruction still alive and well, it now comes equipped with heavy machinery. Maggie & Keith
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StoneGloves 1149 posts |
Oct 11, 2010, 16:48
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Yes, all the sites I've found are vulnerable. None of the farmers I know are bothered about the stones and would rather they weren't there. But they've been indoctrinated to idealise a rectangular green strip. I've seen a long list of things being destroyed. The most shocking - a long cairn going through a crusher - I'd been badly warned previously. But it continues - the front of a long barrow in Bolton has just been pulled away, no resistance. The three cairns, on the banks above the stone circle, at Kirkhaugh, are recognised and unphotographed. I've never seen them. The Alston Anthracite pit is near to Whitehouse - it's still worked. Lovely coal, very low ash, very hot. The most historically aware farmer, on Alston Moor N, is the one with the Roman Fort remains. He's become practised at meeting archaeologists and EH officers. It seems as though large parts of whatever was standing at Kirkhaugh was there when the romans were and that the destruction is contemporary with the turnpike. The Pennine Way, in that valley, follows the track of the Maiden Way closely, and that was an ancient track.
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Oct 11, 2010, 18:54
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Megalithics wrote: A few years ago we were talking to the landowner of a beautifully intact four poster in Perthshire, and we mentioned that he must feel very lucky to have such a jewel on his land. He replied that no, if it were up to him he'd pull the stones out, seems the circle caused problems with his harvester as it was difficult to navigate around it. At first we thought he was winding us up, but they way he looked sadly at the circle, slowly shaking his head as he said "but they won't let me touch it" really did give us the chills. So, not only is the latent tendency for megalithic destruction still alive and well, it now comes equipped with heavy machinery. Maggie & Keith Carse ?
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Oct 11, 2010, 21:07
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Megalithics wrote: tiompan wrote: Carse ? How did you know? Maggie & Keith A guess , but probabaly because it's the only P&K 4 poster on arable land .
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Megalithics 199 posts |
Oct 11, 2010, 21:52
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tiompan wrote: Carse ? How did you know? Maggie & Keith
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Megalithics 199 posts |
Oct 12, 2010, 14:34
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StoneGloves wrote: I've seen a long list of things being destroyed. The most shocking - a long cairn going through a crusher - I'd been badly warned previously. But it continues - the front of a long barrow in Bolton has just been pulled away, no resistance. EEEEK! weren't these monuments scheduled and protected by law? An imaginatively glued together roman riding hat is worth 2.3 mill, but a long cairn goes through the crusher? Mad! Still, we suppose long cairns are more plentiful, and are quite difficult to display tastefully in the living room of one's mansion. Maggie & Keith
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Megalithics 199 posts |
Oct 12, 2010, 14:41
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tiompan wrote: Megalithics wrote: tiompan wrote: Carse ? How did you know? Maggie & Keith A guess , but probabaly because it's the only P&K 4 poster on arable land . You definitely know your four posters! We didn't even mention the rock art or the quartz inclusions, which might have helped. M&K
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StoneGloves 1149 posts |
Oct 12, 2010, 15:57
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It's an old story - the long cairn through the crusher. And one that will continue to be told as long as I have breath. It wasn't a good one and had already been robbed for stone, but on a small scale, with a tractor and trailer, rather than a specialist JCB. It made a road six metres wide, a metre deep and half a kilometre long. The road did not have Planning Permission. My complaint has been continually ignored and I have a folder of stuff an inch thick. So, no it wasn't protected. That stone circle at Featherstone was protected. Presumably it was scheduled as an Ancient Monument. In Northumberland the rules don't apply if nobody sees you doing it, or they can be frightened off (allegedly). Anybody looking for stuff will be told 'oh, you can't come up here - it's private'. I moaned endlessly on here about the long cairn being crushed - everyone just looked the other way. I'd been threatened with being shot and my greatest rgret is not going up there with a camera and catching the crusher in action. The county archaeologist couldn't care less - 50+ miles from his office - and I'd tried to have the heap of stones listed on the SMR as a 'sacred hill'. I've plenty of photographs of the remaining scar - and of the damage that was continually done to my basecamp and belongings. There were some nitwit Rock Art surveyors who went up there and abandoned their survey after just one stone. I'm still trying to find out who they were and why they (a) just visited one stone, (b) didn't ask directions to the other 20+ stones and (c) decided it had natural cupmarks, when it clearly hadn't. All answers gratefully received.
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mickey 1 posts |
Sep 21, 2014, 22:06
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Creyr wrote: Just been to a most interesting talk and presentation by Robert Farrah on his research into the astronomical and landscape alignments of the Cumbrian sites as detailed in his book A Guide to the Stone Circles of Cumbria. see http://www.hayloft.eu/stonecircles.html It has inspired me anew to further explore our local stones and one question that keeps recurring is why has no one done a geophysics survey of the northern end of the shap avenue area? (the southern end being mostly under the railway/town) I am wondering if it possible to contract someone to do this sort of thing privately and if so how much it would cost. I bet theres plenty of local people who would be willing to chip in and I certainly wouldnt mind doing a bit of fundraising for such a project. Any thoughts/pointers/offers/reasons why its a stupid idea gratefully received. Thanks Claire I realise this thread is 4 years old but if you are still interested I did some geophysics at Shap in 2010. I did a resistivity survey at the north end of the avenue and around Skellow Hill and a small survey around the demolished stone circle next to the railway.
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jonmor 150 posts |
Sep 22, 2014, 18:45
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Don't do geophys but do use similar technology for other sorts of scanning. Bear in mind that this stuff (even the multi-phase scanners) isn't quite as reliable as is portrayed in press releases.
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