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Branwen 824 posts |
Edited Feb 14, 2010, 17:27
Feb 14, 2010, 17:18
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It might have come up before, but has anyone got any links or books to recommend about carved stone balls like these? They've been found all over the place in Scotland. Some of them remind me of inverted rockart, bumps instead of dips, raised patterns instead of grooved ones. http://www.georgehart.com/virtual-polyhedra/figs/ashmolean-1927-2727-31-large.jpg
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Feb 14, 2010, 17:35
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Branwen wrote: It might have come up before, but has anyone got any links or books to recommend about carved stone balls like these? They've been found all over the place in Scotland. Some of them remind me of inverted rockart, bumps instead of dips, raised patterns instead of grooved ones. http://www.georgehart.com/virtual-polyhedra/figs/ashmolean-1927-2727-31-large.jpg There are no books on carved stone balls that i know of .Although there are a couple of good PSAS articles ,particularly the one by Dorothy Marshall .I'll dig out the details . They are very localised to Aberdeenshire with just a few strays in Fife , Angus and futher south and west . The Towie ball is incredible and certainly has similarities ,like others with RA .
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wideford 1086 posts |
Feb 14, 2010, 17:37
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Marshall's essays in the Proceedings of the Society of Antiquaries of Scotland for 1976-7 and 1983 : http://ads.ahds.ac.uk/catalogue/adsdata/PSAS_2002/pdf/vol_108/108_040_072.pdf and http://ads.ahds.ac.uk/catalogue/adsdata/PSAS_2002/pdf/vol_113/113_628_630.pdf
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wideford 1086 posts |
Feb 14, 2010, 17:38
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I'm sure you didn't mean to leave out Orkney - Skara Brae etc There are no books on carved stone balls that i know of .Although there are a couple of good PSAS articles ,particularly the one by Dorothy Marshall .I'll dig out the details . They are very localised to Aberdeenshire with just a few strays in Fife , Angus and futher south and west . The Towie ball is incredible and certainly has similarities ,like others with RA .[/quote]
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Feb 14, 2010, 17:44
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wideford wrote: Marshall's essays in the Proceedings of the Society of Antiquaries of Scotland for 1976-7 and 1983 : http://ads.ahds.ac.uk/catalogue/adsdata/PSAS_2002/pdf/vol_108/108_040_072.pdf and http://ads.ahds.ac.uk/catalogue/adsdata/PSAS_2002/pdf/vol_113/113_628_630.pdf Another PSAS paper(2006) but available online yet was TN Todds "the aerodynmics of carved stone balls " he reckons they were uswed as weapons like a bolas mmmmm. Mark Edmonds also did a paper called " Their use is wholly unknown " in the collection "Vessels for the ancestors "
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rockartuk 194 posts |
Feb 14, 2010, 17:56
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An early account on decorated stone balls -with fine lithographs- can be found in: Joseph Anderson's "Scotland in Pagan Times", Vol. 1, 1883, p. 162-73. Here a link to the flip-book at the Internet Archive: http://www.archive.org/stream/scotlandinpagan03andegoog#page/n188/mode/2up
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tjj 3606 posts |
Feb 14, 2010, 17:57
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tiompan wrote: Branwen wrote: It might have come up before, but has anyone got any links or books to recommend about carved stone balls like these? They've been found all over the place in Scotland. Some of them remind me of inverted rockart, bumps instead of dips, raised patterns instead of grooved ones. http://www.georgehart.com/virtual-polyhedra/figs/ashmolean-1927-2727-31-large.jpg There are no books on carved stone balls that i know of .Although there are a couple of good PSAS articles ,particularly the one by Dorothy Marshall .I'll dig out the details . They are very localised to Aberdeenshire with just a few strays in Fife , Angus and futher south and west . The Towie ball is incredible and certainly has similarities ,like others with RA . While I was north of the border last year I bought a copy of 'The Making of Scotland' - Farmers, Temples and Tombs, Scotland in the Neolithic and Early Bonze Age. The front cover consists of a photo of the carved stone ball from Glass Hill, Towie c. 3000bc. Author Gordon Barclay, published by Historic Scotland. PS: It is beautiful.
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tjj 3606 posts |
Feb 14, 2010, 17:59
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rockartuk wrote: An early account on decorated stone balls -with fine lithographs- can be found in: Joseph Anderson's "Scotland in Pagan Times", Vol. 1, 1883, p. 162-73. Here a link to the flip-book at the Internet Archive: http://www.archive.org/stream/scotlandinpagan03andegoog#page/n188/mode/2up Bump!! Sorry, I posted over you without realising.
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Feb 14, 2010, 18:05
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tjj wrote: . While I was north of the border last year I bought a copy of 'The Making of Scotland' - Farmers, Temples and Tombs, Scotland in the Neolithic and Early Bonze Age. The front cover consists of a photo of the carved stone ball from Glass Hill, Towie c. 3000bc. Author Gordon Barclay, published by Historic Scotland. PS: It is beautiful.[/quote] funny old game archaeology , Gordon Barclay probaly the expert on neolithic Scotland has changed horses and is currently concerned with the 20 th Century defences of of Scotland .
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Branwen 824 posts |
Edited Feb 14, 2010, 18:19
Feb 14, 2010, 18:08
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tiompan wrote: They are very localised to Aberdeenshire with just a few strays in Fife , Angus and futher south and west . Other areas too but yeah, they seem to mostly come from Aberdeenshire. This site shows the ones from other areas like Skara Brae etc... http://nms.scran.ac.uk/database/results.php? offset=1&no_results=12&scache=3ucqwskull&searchdb= scran&sortby=&sortorder=ASC&field=&searchterm=%2BCARVED%20%2BBALLS Thanks for the links - will have a read up on those. The proceedings ones I was looking for but couldn't find for some reason. Slow connection maybe. The lithographs in that book on pagan Scotland are really good too. Now the weather is nicer it will be nice to sit outside and do some stone carving again. These photos are detqailed enought to be a great help, thanks. The idea of bolas is interesting. I wonder if you could weave rope into the grooves to make a kind of net bag to hold them securely... They do photograph well, making good cover art. Same fascination rock art has - that feeling you should be able to make sense of them if you stare long enough. Carving a motherstane with newgrange type spirals and lines was relaxing in a zoning out kind of way. Helped me think of nothing, which is a type of meditation I've always had a problem with.
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