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Rhiannon
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Re: EH to let the road go ahead
Aug 31, 2007, 08:37
And what is all this stuff about it costing £6 million to abandon the road, but £400K to build it??
Instead of being ridiculous and saying 'oh it would cost 110 million pounds to build a tunnel under it', why don't they just - doh - divert the road. You know, in a BEND round it. Is that so difficult and is that really going to cost them so much money to buy the field next door.
It's just pathetic. Actually, perhaps the best place for the ribbon is back under the ground, where it can wait until somebody sensible and who actually gives a monkeys wants to smash the road up and look at it. Tsk.
nigelswift
8112 posts

Re: EH to let the road go ahead
Aug 31, 2007, 08:55
why don't they just - doh - divert the road. You know, in a BEND round it. Is that so difficult
Unkind people, me included, are aware of certain matters leading us to believe that it is known, though not admitted publicly, that the ribbon stretches for a very long way in both directions and that therefore it is impossible to divert the road round it.

This will be "discovered" during the EH funded investigations that will take place AFTER the road has been built, you watch. We will be left with a truly spectacular world-significant bronze age structure stretching from a sacred hill out to who knows what, bisected by a road. Think Stonehenge Avenue, bisected by the A344.

And all because "someone" wants to make loadsadosh and the protection system is a pathetic gutless farce.
Rhiannon
5291 posts

Re: EH to let the road go ahead
Aug 31, 2007, 09:03
That makes a lot of sense. (that is, you make a lot of sense, Nigel, because the rest of it is just the kind of money-driven bullshit that passes for normality with some people).
Like you say, they're going to look pretty crumby when (if) the rest is excavated. Not that that makes up for it really.
moss
moss
2897 posts

Re: EH to let the road go ahead
Aug 31, 2007, 10:46
"protection system is a pathetic gutless farce."

Yes, you can put all the planning laws and heritage protection in place but when it comes to a road that the government said no to, the green light at the end of this particular tunnel was coloured with devious plans made months ago by developers and 'cabinet' councillors...the Rotherwas Ribbon did'nt have a chance...
nigelswift
8112 posts

Re: EH to let the road go ahead
Aug 31, 2007, 10:58
didn't have a chance...

Indeed.
More fool those who thought it might have in view of the fact the taxpayer shells out £129 million a year to maintain a body that claims it acts as

"a national and international champion for the heritage"

:(
tomwatts
376 posts

Re: EH to let the road go ahead
Sep 01, 2007, 00:59
How can a decision on the future of the "Ribbon" be made before it's been fully investigated??

Nobody knows the what, why, where, how, of the thing. So how can anybody make an informed decision??
nigelswift
8112 posts

Re: EH to let the road go ahead
Sep 01, 2007, 05:28
How can a decision on the future of the "Ribbon" be made before it's been fully investigated??

Indeed, but that's the basis the Council's cabinet will decide next week, aided by EH's decision not to schedule it on the same basis.

There's a council update here, dated 7 August. http://www.smr.herefordshire.gov.uk/news_events2/RotherwasNews2.htm#7thAugust
Even that seems to have difficulty concealing the fact it goes a long way and is very, very special. Looks like it may be earlier than Bronze Age too. hey're asking for people to contact them with parallels as they don't have any -which says it all really.
moss
moss
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Edited Sep 01, 2007, 07:47
Here Lies Buried........
Sep 01, 2007, 07:46
Just love this by the archoaelogist (sorry can't spell first thing in the morning)

"In the meantime, we think that the structure is of very considerable importance in its use of deliberately burnt stone to pave a purposely-sculpted surface. Its very likely representation of a specific form (snake/cord/symbolic river) is also remarkable. The re-surfacing or re-inscription (at least in part) of the monument is also very unusual. In its possession of all these aspects together, it is so far unique, and considerably expands the known repertoire of monumentality in Neolithic/Early Bronze Age Europe. Its presence in Herefordshire should and will provoke a considerable re-think of the erstwhile widely supposed ‘peripheral’ character of Neolithic and Bronze Age activity here ."

"Does the Council realise how important it is?"
nigelswift
8112 posts

Re: Here Lies Buried........
Sep 01, 2007, 08:02
'Course they do! After all, the above account was supplied to them by their County Archaeologist / Manager of Herefordshire Archaeology Service, Dr Keith Ray MBE MA PhD FSA MIFA

Only trouble is, he added the small rider that building the road over it was fine and our friends at EH have concurred, so what's a poor lay cabinet to do but agree?

(Pardon me for sounding bitter.)
nigelswift
8112 posts

Hypocrites and liars always prosper....
Sep 06, 2007, 15:38
As expected, Hereford Council today agreed a perfect solution to the problem of the Rotherwas Ribbon, a world-unique monument, being in the way of their favourite road scheme.

Its a "Win-win" solution, they say. Everyone can be happy.
http://www.24dash.com/localgovernment/27203.htm

If you get as far as halfway down you may notice that the only bit that matters is the bit where they mention it involves driving their sodding road over it, just like they always intended.

Nice that they pay such fulsome tribute to EH for facilitating this conclusion. What a bad thing it would have been for the Ribbon without their protective and caring hand.
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