tuesday
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how deep is your love?
Nov 01, 2005, 20:53
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I wondered if people here felt that there may still be major sites yet to be discovered. i was reading about peat and how deep it goes and for how long it has been around and covering things up (callanish for example). magnetometry and geo physics and whatever may have now ruled this out of course
my own thought, for what it's worth, is that there is - but then i got Julian Cope confused with Julian Cary for a while...
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FourWinds
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Re: how deep is your love?
Nov 01, 2005, 20:59
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When you consider places such as the Ceide Fields and Beaghmore then you have to believe that under all the peat in Ireland there are major complexes waiting to be foundand the way it's being dug up to put on gardens it won't be long before the next one turns up. Add to that the 34 billion euro transport infrastructure just announced by the Irish gov't a lot more could be found in the next 10 years.
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tuesday
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Re: how deep is your love?
Nov 01, 2005, 21:02
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"Add to that the 34 billion euro transport infrastructure just announced by the Irish gov't a lot more could be found in the next 10 years."
well, i am glad to hear that ...and it sounds like they'll be easy to get to as well....
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StoneLifter
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Re: how deep is your love?
Nov 01, 2005, 21:44
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It's in the South Tyne valley - it's been discovered and listed, mostly, it just has to seep out into popular culture yet. There's many more landscapes awaiting recognition, probably in the North Pennines. If antiquarians had shot grouse, they would have got a look in. But they didn't and they haven't. Right To Roam makes it an open landscape once again.
My finds in Bolton are quite substantial too - but are currently zilched and uninvestigated. Five stone rows at five different sites adds substantially to the understanding of stone row sites everywhere. Or will do. The archemefrologists at M.U. can't be bothered etc.
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goffik
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Re: how deep is your love?
Nov 01, 2005, 21:47
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I believe there's stone circles etc being found to this day in and around Callanish... The peat is harvested revealing some fabulous sites, siuch as Achmore... I think we've still got a long way to go to find them all... ;o)
The Uists are scattered with rocks/stones, with quite a few stone circles marked on the OS map. But can you find them? Can you 'eck!
G x
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fitzcoraldo
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Re: how deep is your love?
Nov 01, 2005, 22:49
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Three years ago a moor in North Yorkshire caught fire and burned for a couple days, removing most of the peat cover. Prior to the fire there were a few known barrows and a couple of dozen carved rocks known to be on the moor.
After the fire, dozens of low cairns, a couple more possible barrows & ring cairns, a whole bunch of as-yet unclassified features and over 200 carved rocks were recorded including one carved kerb stone of national if not international significance.
It's no Callanish but a pretty major site by most standards.
So yes, there are probably hundreds of similar sites throughout our islands and just off our coasts waiting to be recognised.
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fitzcoraldo
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Re: how deep is your love?
Nov 01, 2005, 23:16
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Hiya Kevin,
Ray Steton wrote a book called The Reason for the Stone Circles in Cumbria which was published in 1995. It's a nice little book I'm sure you'd like it. He too is a dowser. He surveyed 22 circles in Cumbria using conventional methods and then dowsed them. He didn't find straight lines but found serpentine lines running in and out of a number of the circles.
I guess even you dowsers have different ways of interpretting what you find.
cheers
fitz
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CianMcLiam
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Fed up with this lark...
Nov 01, 2005, 23:40
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Frankly I'm fed up, I'm really fed up of this 'wise all-knowing ancients' malarkey. The people who lived thousands of years ago, compared to now, knew next to nothing about the world, how it works and why it works. Practically nothing. What they may have <i>believed</i> and what they <i>'knew'</i> are two completely different things that we (with thousands of years of observation, measurement, testing and experiment) have to seperate with the fullness of the knowledge we have <i>now</i>. Its very true that they were more in tune with the natural rythmns of the natural world and were as intelligent as any of us, but that is only one side of the equation, scientific experimentation and observation is the other. There they fall way short of what has come since, through incredible feats of abstract thought and dedication to what is provable and logical.
What is incredible is that in these monuments we see the <i>beginnings</i> of measurement, experiment, engineering, art and a defiance of the transient nature of life. That is what we should be interested in, as well as their beliefs. But if we start to believe ourselves what they may have believed hundreds as well as thousands of years ago, we may as well throw in the towel because if they had that attitude of backward-ness then we would still be chasing pigs with a lump of flint for breakfast.
Its nice to fantasise that they knew fundemental scientific things we dont know now, that we 'lost touch with'. We should lose touch with things that science tells us are imaginative ceations of the mind. These people were much closer to the edge of existence than we are, one thing we do know about human nature is that the closer you are to exiting the planet the more inexplicably superstitious we become. Even for some hardened athiests, the Bible/Koran/whatever is the last book they read. Superstitions tell us about human nature, not the natural world and that is how we must look at the motivation and beliefs of the builders of ancient stone monuments.
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Creyr
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Re: how deep is your love?
Nov 01, 2005, 23:42
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Hello Fitz
That sounds an interesting book...I'm open-minded as far as dowsing goes.
Its always interesting to know what people experience...but often their interpretation of that experience is somewhat debatable...
So any chance of an ISBN or stockist ?
claire x
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StoneLifter
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Re: Fed up with this lark...
Nov 02, 2005, 00:07
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Yes, the Neolithic hackers started the 'road to destruction' based on a complete clearance of the forest. If they'd just cut patches and built an agriculural system based on that then we'd stand a chance now - rather than being poised on the edge of apocalypse. What is usually staggering about the monuments is the phenomenal amount of effort that has gone into their construction ...
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