anthonyqkiernan
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Carrick Stone (North Lanarkshire)
Jan 20, 2005, 13:10
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In Cumbernauld there is an area called Carrickstone. I've just come across a posting on another site whee someone was bemoaning the lack of care given to the 'Carrick Stone'. this reminded me of an acquaintence telling me many moons ago about them campaigning to save save it when houses were being built.
Anyone know what/where it is?
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tiompan
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Re: Carrick Stone (North Lanarkshire)
Jan 20, 2005, 13:48
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. sorry if the url is "dead" but a search on Canmore will find it .http://www.rcahms.gov.uk/pls/portal/newcanmore.details_gis?inumlink=45825
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anthonyqkiernan
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Re: Carrick Stone (North Lanarkshire)
Jan 20, 2005, 13:58
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Cheers.
"Note of a stone on the moor near Dullatur, called the Carrick Stone, shaped like a Roman altar, and having cups on its upper surface'"
Interesting...
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BigSweetie
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Re: Carrick Stone (North Lanarkshire)
Jan 20, 2005, 14:49
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the Roman Altar is here:
http://www.rcahms.gov.uk/pls/portal/newcanmore.details_gis?inumlink=45818
it does look like a Roman Altar, but it has cup-marks on its top.............
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Cheers
Andy
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anthonyqkiernan
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Re: Carrick Stone (North Lanarkshire)
Jan 20, 2005, 14:55
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I must go take a look. Remebering that whole area is on the Antonine Wall, do we think that they may have used an existing stone for an altar? It's not like they were using much rock for the wall itself.
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BigSweetie
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Re: Carrick Stone (North Lanarkshire)
Jan 20, 2005, 15:26
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I'm really not sure - going by the drawing in the PSAS, it is extremely altar shaped, except for what appear to be the cup-marks in the top. which look extremely cup-mark-ish. I think it would be unusual for the Romans to go to the bother of carving an altar out of an already cup-marked stone (wouldn't it?) as the top would be far from perfect. however, could it be the case (like building churches on the sites of stone circles) of superceding a sacred object (a cup-marked stone) with something sacred to someone else (the Romans and their altar)?
certainly WA Donnelly writes in the PSAS:
"Apart from all conjectures as to its historic associations, the stone seemed to me to be chiefly interesting on account of the cup-markings on its upper surface. It is not a cup- and ring-marked stone, but some of its cups have unmistakable ducts leading from them, one of which is very deep. The two larger cups are about 8 inches in diameter and 4 inches in depth; the two smaller have no ducts, and do not exceed 3 inches in diameter. Most of those who have visited the stone, I believe, regard it as a Roman altar, but I have not been able to find any explanation of the cups upon the top, which are certainly not usual accompaniments of a Roman altar. Could they have been upon the stone before it was made into an altar?"
and just clear up any confusion over the two different Carrick Stones:
"Having been asked whether the stone was called after the farm of Carrickstone, on which it stands, or whether the farm had received its name from the presence of this particular stone, I revisited Dullatur and procured some further information. It seems that the present generation has confused this stone with another which was formerly called the Carrick Stone. The latter was a large slab, which lay horizontally on the ground at the foot of a field about 200 yards in a direct line from the front door of Carrickstone farm-house, and at the base of the slope of the field. This stone, as described to me, was a rudely dressed slab of freestone, having inscribed on its surface, in large and boldly incised letters, the one word CARRICK, and the local tradition said that it marked the grave of a noted Covenanter who was killed and buried here."
Cheers
Andy S
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follow that cow
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Re: Carrick Stone (North Lanarkshire)
Jan 20, 2005, 23:29
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... from The Antonine Wall: A Handbook To The Surviving Remains
Anne Robertson 'revised by Lawrence Keppie' pp30
Some 1.25km south of the Wall, near a circular concrete water tower at Carrickstone, now being enveloped by housing as a suburb of Cumbernauld, is a Roman alter, traditionally called 'The Carrick Stone', set apparently on its original base, and now protected by railings.
I did a course with Lawrencef Keppie last year on the Romans in Scotland. I can vaguely remember him mentioning this stone but not about any cup marks on top. Keppie is one of our top roman scholars (also curator of Glasgow Uni' Huntarian Museum).
If I can find his e-mail address I'll drop him a line. If any one knows about this stone it will be him.
FTC
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anthonyqkiernan
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Re: Carrick Stone (North Lanarkshire)
Jan 24, 2005, 23:43
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If you can be bothered, that would be nice. I must take the bike up there when the weather turns.
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follow that cow
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Re: Carrick Stone (North Lanarkshire)
Feb 04, 2005, 00:24
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I contacted Lawrence Keppie about The carrick Stone and he says that it is not really feasible that the cup markings on the stone are prehistoric.
FTC
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BigSweetie
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Re: Carrick Stone (North Lanarkshire)
Feb 04, 2005, 09:35
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thanks for that FTC, I think that sounds about right given the shape and supposed use of the thing
Cheers
Andy
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