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cancer boy
cancer boy
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Re: When is Julian Cope gonna realize...
Feb 02, 2003, 12:08
I think he realized it quite a long time ago (e.g. http://www.headheritage.co.uk/wsym/mp3s/heed.mp3
), but he still likes exhuming its past as well (e.g. Brain Donor). Anyway, most electronic music these days seems to be paying homage to the past rather than looking to the future, all those deliriously naff tracks on MTV and Kiss are enough to make me pick up a guitar.
anthonyqkiernan
anthonyqkiernan
7087 posts

Re: When is Julian Cope gonna realize..
Feb 02, 2003, 13:23
I thought that the whole reason for the young 'uns sinking themselves wholesale into Nu Metal was beacause 'house' music was squared and the type of thing their parents listen to.
cHARLIE
cHARLIE
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KewLtrack still sounds GooD nOW!
Feb 02, 2003, 16:10
Yea Tis A REALLY Cool track that ! I stupidly gave my copy away to ma Brother (PiCTuRE SQUIBSEy dIsk In Lurvly card board BoX) FER A BURFDAY pressy.
FoOlthatIis*
Dwight Fried
543 posts

Re: Have to take issue with the term....
Feb 02, 2003, 21:18
'Electronic Music'. Electric guitars and amplifiers are electronic instruments-in fact, all recorded music is electronic in a sense.
Music is not automatically cutting-edge simply by virtue of using current technology. Much of todays Modern Rock(blecchhh!) makes liberal use of sampling and sequencing. The current spate of 'electronic 'bands are mostly revisionists anyway-happy to re-create the early-80's sounds of Ultravox et al. instead of exploring the limitless possibilities technology now affords them.
'Electronic' (there's that fucking word again) music by and large tends to have a cold, impersonal feel to it and this is often reflected in its themes. I'm not saying
none of it is good, but it usually lacks the visceral impact that ya get from good ol' gtr/bs/drms. It's just different music witha different purpose, that's all.
Whether it's played on a guitar ora synth or a kazoo, the bottom line is always-Does it move you?
Lord Lucan
Lord Lucan
2702 posts

Primal Cell
Feb 03, 2003, 15:49
>>Soft cell are fucken rubbish! DON't gim me that crap! MusIc is abOut Just grasping yer PriMal eMotiOns and using whatever it takes to spit fire in zeee EYES oF fLAKES.

Soft Cell are a bad example for proving your point, cHARLIE*. They got plenty Primal on yer ass in their time, matey boy. Almond could spit fire like the best of em. If you're thinking in terms of Tainted Love, then they'd probably agree with you themselves:

"The taxi-driver starts to sing
One of my songs.
One that I like
The least, he says:
"That was the only one I liked"
My face cracks, my misery
Increased all my misery
All my misery"
(from A Million Manias)

But you've obviously not heard their commercial suicide album This Last Night In Sodom, which has Almond in bile-spitting deranged drug-fuelled preacher mode, barking blood-shot lyrics of disgust at hypocrites and the 'moral majority'. He spits and snarls so much that he's losing his voice by the end of side one. And Ball slaps screeching guitars all over it and then mixes the whole thing in mono to rough it up even more. I can see why Soft Cell inspire as much irritation as they do devotion, but please don't accuse them of not being emotional or primal enough. Some of their stuff is the sound of a group tearing their hearts out and pulling them apart in front of your eyes. Soft Cell are NOT Blancmange or OMD.

(Exhibit No. 694d...)

Slave To This

Oh... another day another way another life
Another day another life ...
of existence....
Oh fear, threat and filth
Tender in hate
Slug and grab
Trap and take away
Another track
Meat rack and ruin
Boarded up and beaten up
Roaming the streets
Have no respect for a life
A limb a love
Whose love are you anyway?

Mother smiles
Narrow smiles
Drink up your poison
Like a good little girl
Can't have your coke
And beat it you know

'Sick of seeing you bruised and burnt out
Ugly and low'
So sick and tired
Of being sick and tired
Of being used and abused
That's right (that's right that's right
that's right that's right that's right)

Pushing through the pavement sprawl
Round the late night supermarket
Dirtlocked lady
Who hits you in the chest
Give her all your money, Mr. Barefoot
All the year round
Please don't breathe on me
Oh and Hi there
Zizi Jean (night) mare

Still sticky from you
Still sticky from me
(I hear voices)
Still sticky from you
Still sticky from me
Smack kerpow!!
Into cold Greaseburger prance
Call me Chico Chico from Puerto Rico
Guilty of another cold handed sperm murder
Forever the crunch of makeup under foot

Where will you take me
When this is all over?
Somewhere where I don't have to
Shiver in the shadows...

So sick and tired
Of being used and abused

Everyday
You set up
Go to work
Floating like the ash
In the Coffee Pot cafe
(that's right that's right that's right that's right that's right)

Throwing upon an over-diet
Of slob culture
Overdose and out
I'm scared for you
For me
For you... no...
For me...OK
I got so tired of
Reading about the anguish of being
That I ended up being
Without
And where will you take me?
Where will you take me?
Away from this hell to be
(or not to be)
Pull up the vacancy sign in your eyes
I've seen it and I don't like it
I've seen it and I don't like it

I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired
Of being used and abused
Hey is this the last night in Sodom?
(that's right that's right that's right)

Sick and tired....

A day today of a life of existence

And his name... is Jesus
(You have never known love till you've known the love of god...
That's right)

Only god may find a way
Where there is no way
That's right....
Is this the last night in Sodom?

(You have never known love till you've known the love of god...
That's right)

What a waste....

And they never shed a tear
For Jesus Christ when he died on the cross
And they drove a spike in his side and hammered a crown of thorns on his head

What a waste...

(M. Almond, NOT Howard Jones)
anthonyqkiernan
anthonyqkiernan
7087 posts

Dave Ball
Feb 03, 2003, 16:01
I apparently an astounding guitarist. He just thinks it's been done.
ratcni01
ratcni01
916 posts

Re: Primal Cell
Feb 03, 2003, 16:08
good song there haven't heard the album don't think much of him tho' - not sure why certainly felt before it was too pop for me and too electronic - i like guitars noises!!
ratcni01
ratcni01
916 posts

Re: When is Julian Cope gonna realize..
Feb 03, 2003, 16:27
who died and made you music regulator, do we have an offmuse anyway, and if we do does it have teeth and could it be trained to bite boybands/girlbands/poxy poppy shite boy girl vocalists

Anyway it's horses for courses, went up to a pub in derbyshire with some motorbike tourist friends a few weeks ago and in the other room was an all acoustic collection bodran (spelling? irish drum thingy), coulpa guitars, fiddle, flute, singers, huge fire and loadsa real ales and beautiful countryside. Very folky but fircone ace.

And last night went all electronic with a host of swirly bands, twizzling me head around and raving madly right at the front, me voice is really hoarse today from all the shouting
Lord Lucan
Lord Lucan
2702 posts

Re: When is Julian Cope gonna realize..
Feb 03, 2003, 16:38
So, when are we gonna get a thread discussing whether Bob Dylan should have gone electric or not?

PS: It's ALL electric. CD players don't have handles.

Pigeon-fucken-holes. Them music journalists have got a lot to answer for.

PPS: Queen Elizabeth's electric Vagina.
grufty jim
grufty jim
1978 posts

Re: When is Julian Cope gonna realize..
Feb 03, 2003, 16:44
when is anyone going to realise... that variety, the acceptance of differences, and a refusal to insist upon a single route forward, has always been the way forward...?
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