Lawrence
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Re: Morrissey
Jul 13, 2019, 17:24
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Yeah right. I just know BS when I see it. And frankly I really don't care.
Morrissey always struck me as a toxic human being regardless of his politics anyways. Sure great music but annoying personality.
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Lawrence
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Edited Jul 13, 2019, 17:29
Re: Morrissey
Jul 13, 2019, 17:29
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Exactly why I should give shitty politics a free pass however, Howie? OK it's "not" Fascism, but I find it quite despicable just as I find Trump despicable. (Really...)
Of course if it's not what I think it is, what should I call such racist oriented pablum, then? "Unhappy people"?
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Pursued By Trees
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Edited Jul 15, 2019, 23:28
Re: Morrissey
Jul 15, 2019, 23:23
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Sensibly, I guess the extent of the 'brand taint' you experience may depend a lot upon just how strongly you feel about the music and just how strongly you feel about your difference in outlook to that of the artist in question.
I can't see how listening to a record by The Smiths is going to propagate racism, any more than listening to a late '80's Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds album would give you a hankering for heroin or enjoying the eponymous Echo and the Bunnymen album would suddenly see you taking a separate private jet to the rest of the band.
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Locodogz
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Re: Morrissey
Jul 18, 2019, 15:12
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That said Toni T posted some fairly empirical evidence - at which point you went a little quiet....
Here I'll repeat it for you
"From a 1986 Melody Maker interview with Frank Owen. Pete Paphides flagged this up a year ago. Over 30 years ago, true.
Moz: "Reggae, for example, is to me the most racist music in the entire world. It's an absolute total glorification of black supremacy... There is a line when defense of one's race becomes an attack on another race and, because of black history and oppression, we realise quite clearly that there has to be a very strong defence. But I think it becomes very extreme sometimes."
"But, ultimately, I don't have very cast iron opinions on black music other than black modern music which I detest. I detest Stevie Wonder. I think Diana Ross is awful. I hate all those records in the Top 40 - Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston. I think they're vile in the extreme. In essence this music doesn't say anything whatsoever."
Interviewer: But it does, it does. What it says can't necessarily be verbalised easily. It doesn't seek to change the world like rock music by speaking grand truths about politics, sex and the human condition. It works at a much more subtle level - at the level of the body and the shared abandon of the dancefloor. It won't change the world, but it's been said it may well change the way you walk through the world.
Moz: "I don't think there's any time anymore to be subtle about anything, you have to get straight to the point. Obviously to get on Top Of The Pops these days, one has to be, by law, black. I think something political has occurred among Michael Hurl and his friends and there has been a hefty pushing of all these black artists and all this discofied nonsense into the Top 40. I think, as a result, that very aware younger groups that speak for now are being gagged."
Interviewer: You seem to be saying that you believe that there is some sort of black pop conspiracy being organised to keep white indie groups down.
Moz: "Yes, I really do.""
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Howburn Digger
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Re: Morrissey
Jul 20, 2019, 00:18
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This a very fine interview. His phrase "Rear Cleavage" on Larry King really takes this to a new level.
https://youtu.be/00eEGxrgYT4
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