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veneta1 223 posts |
Apr 28, 2017, 20:26
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Well said. I am heartily sick to death of reading and hearing quasi-intellectual arguments used to support errant idiocy.
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Littlestone 5386 posts |
Apr 28, 2017, 20:32
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Well said Sanctuary. Sad though that there are still a few troublemakers, both here and on TMA, who can’t resist firing off personal insults (and jibes) at those they dislike or disagree with. They bring both forums into disrepute and are best ignored (but you’ve already arrived at that realization by saying, “...one post to air your views is quite enough IMO...”). Don’t let them stop you from saying what you think though and then leaving it at that.
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Sanctuary 4670 posts |
Apr 28, 2017, 21:47
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Littlestone wrote: Well said Sanctuary. Sad though that there are still a few troublemakers, both here and on TMA, who can’t resist firing off personal insults (and jibes) at those they dislike or disagree with. They bring both forums into disrepute and are best ignored (but you’ve already arrived at that realization by saying, “...one post to air your views is quite enough IMO...”). Don’t let them stop you from saying what you think though and then leaving it at that. Thanks Littlestone. It wasn't that long ago, and for some still today, that your political preferences were your own business and not something you openly discussed. It was respected and rightly so, but today if you openly say what party you support you are insulted by those that have different views and question your sanity. They are called obsessives and consider you to be some sort of deranged idiot for not agreeing with them. We are seeing that on this thread at the moment. Endless posts, endless questions, but with just a token interest in other peoples views if they don't agree with them. Neither side is for turning yet they still ramble on with the same diatribe day after day. They act like they speak for everyone and latch onto the slightest whiff of support in the daily rags. It makes their day even though the greater amount of it is just lies and fake news. The sad thing is that for all their apparent knowledge, they suck it all up and back each other up. I voted to leave the EU and my reasons stay with me, not for all asunder. It is my business and I will not be brow-beaten on a forum I otherwise enjoy by failed amateur politicians who in the very first instance didn't have the decency to congratulate the majority who voted out and still won't. They didn't accept the result of the democratic vote and have gone out of their way to applaud all the obstacles put in our PM's way. But they won't win because Theresa May leaves them for dead when it comes to intelligence. We are coming out of Europe no matter what your point of view or beliefs. Instead of whinging and whining like you have been doing since the vote went against you, why don't you wise up and support your country and help see it through this difficult but expected phase. Now that IS all I have to say but feel free to continue with your cheap remarks about me like Swift did this morning if it makes you feel better knowing that I won't come back at you. You know, the cowards way!
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thesweetcheat 6210 posts |
Apr 28, 2017, 23:08
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No-one asked you who you voted for, you volunteered that information, just as you did the last time. I have never asked anyone how they voted on anything. But if you choose to come on a public forum - three times in your case, the last GE, the EU ref and now - and tell everyone how you are voting, it's already in the public domain. I don't know why you choose to come and everyone who you vote for, but as this a discussion forum I assume it's for a discussion. I am interested in politics. I would like to understand what motivates people to vote the way they do. I'm not seeking to change their view but I would like to understand.
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Littlestone 5386 posts |
Apr 28, 2017, 23:23
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veneta1 wrote: Well said. I am heartily sick to death of reading and hearing quasi-intellectual arguments used to support errant idiocy. Such as?
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tjj 3606 posts |
Edited Apr 29, 2017, 00:53
Apr 29, 2017, 00:09
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I don't think I've actually talked about Brexit on this thread - its about the GE as far as I'm concerned. Its a given that Brexit was the Theresa May's reason for calling one. As you said Sanctuary, how each individual votes is between them and the ballot box but as this is a discussion forum it is inevitable opposing views will be aired. No one is brow-beating anyone but there does seems to be a lot of 'taking the moral high ground' and superciliousness from certain quarters. Moving on - lets. I will be supporting Labour (who are not unanimously opposed to Brexit) because I believe in Socialism - looking after everyone in our society rather than the 'survival of the fittest' Thatcher's Conservatism. John McDonnell MP, Labour’s Shadow Chancellor, (a much maligned but very able politician) commenting on the Government’s refusal to set out their State Pension age plans, said: “Today the Government have refused to set out their plans for the State Pension age before the election, despite the legal requirement to report to Parliament before the 7th May. “It comes on the back of the Prime Minister’s continued refusal to commit to the State Pension triple-lock. “This is yet more worrying news for pensioners already hit by a squeeze to their living standards. Labour is calling for clarity from the Tories on their plans for the future of the State Pension age. “Pensioners, and working people, cannot afford not to know the future of the State Pension age. “This is more evidence that this election is a choice between a Tory party that fails working people and a Labour Party that will stand up for working people and deliver a better, fairer Britain.” Does anyone now in their thirties/forties/fifties really want to have to work until they are seventy - it may be fine for the fortunate minority in creative occupations to carry on but for the majority who work in industry, offices, hospitals etc., burn-out takes place at a much younger age. Workers deserve their retirement with a decent income to go with it.
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drewbhoy 2555 posts |
Apr 29, 2017, 06:50
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thesweetcheat wrote: I voted remain because I strongly believe that a united Europe will help prevent another war, not necessarily soon but some day. I voted remain because the EU gives us fundamental human and employment rights that a Tory government would do everything they can to strip away without EU legislation to stop them. I voted remain because the EU is our biggest trading partner and we would be idiots to think we will be better off financially outside the EU. I voted remain because membership of the EU provides a framework to keep pressure on members to reduce carbon emissions, to keep environmental protections in place and to work towards sustainable energy. A Tory government unfettered by this will allow commercial interests to take precedence over environmental concerns. I voted remain because I trusted the EU to do a better job of distributing the money it takes from member states than our government will. Wales and Cornwall have a shock coming. I voted remain because I believe that we should have close ties with countries that share values of tolerance and that uphold human rights, rather than looking to places like Saudi Arabia as trading partners. I voted remain because I believe that we need free movement of workers to staff our hospitals and carehomes, especially given the ageing British population. You make it sound like a vote for what we already have (the above) is a bad thing. Some of your fellow leavers take it further, and label me an enemy of the people and a traitor. Don't worry you are in good company. You missed one thing out, you voted remain because its common sense.
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nigelswift 8112 posts |
Edited Apr 29, 2017, 07:26
Apr 29, 2017, 07:15
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Sanctuary wrote: Now that IS all I have to say but feel free to continue with your cheap remarks about me like Swift did this morning if it makes you feel better knowing that I won't come back at you. You know, the cowards way! TBH Roy, since you hold the record for aggressive, disruptive, obnoxious and racist remarks on TMA and being slung out or resigning forever and coming back endlessly, and I don't, I really couldn't give the tiniest tinkers cuss about how you vote or anything you accuse me of. Best wishes, Nige.
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nigelswift 8112 posts |
Apr 29, 2017, 09:04
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What a monumental fecking neck to accuse us of "knowing that I won't come back at you. You know, the cowards way!".... .... when you've spent the last few years over on the Copycat Journal attacking me personally in the nastiest way imaginable for all you are worth!! Be gone with you, you vexatious person. All the best, Nige
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moss 2897 posts |
Apr 29, 2017, 09:46
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nigelswift wrote: What a monumental fecking neck to accuse us of "knowing that I won't come back at you. You know, the cowards way!".... .... when you've spent the last few years over on the Copycat Journal attacking me personally in the nastiest way imaginable for all you are worth!! Be gone with you, you vexatious person. All the best, Nige Being hateful, just some of the words you can use; abominable, execrable, abhorrent, repugnant; invidious, loathsome. Hateful, obnoxious, odious, offensive refer to something that causes strong dislike or annoyance. Hateful implies actually causing hatred or extremely strong dislike: It seems to me, and this is addressed to Nigel and tjj, that your hate for Sanctuary and Littlestone curdles every pore in your bodies. Why? Why can’t you express your own views without making offensive remarks. Surely the point of a debate is the argument without the personal. There were two little girls on a radio programme yesterday, and one said you should respect the person you are arguing with. She went on to say ‘I may like pizza with marshmallows on top, you on the other hand like chocolate cake, which I accept and respect’. Simplistic maybe, but just because someone doesn’t agree with you doesn’t mean you have to verbally attack them. You note that I do not include the TSC in this, I think he has a strong line of pure belief that runs through his soul, he has the need to understand. And before you start on me, (here it comes peeps ???? I shall FLOUNCE) pushing someone’s (i.e. Sanctuary) buttons always triggers a response and it gets incredibly boring. And tjj take it from me you are never going to wind up Littlestone to respond to you, so please move on.. Moss, with not much love! X
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