DarkMagus
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Mainstream media starts to wake up on climate change fraud
Feb 01, 2010, 22:44
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The Guardian of all places.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/feb/01/leaked-emails-climate-jones-chinese
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CraigR
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Edited Feb 02, 2010, 01:42
Re: Mainstream media starts to wake up on climate change fraud
Feb 02, 2010, 01:21
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PMM
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Re: Mainstream media starts to wake up on climate change fraud
Feb 02, 2010, 22:58
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Things don't get much more mainstream than the BBC.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/richardblack/2010/02/much_has_been_written.html
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DarkMagus
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Re: Mainstream media starts to wake up on climate change fraud
Feb 02, 2010, 23:17
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At last - months, if not years, behind the non-MSM. I expect the BBC, Guardian & Independent will soon produce further "exclusives" on stuff the rest of us already know. At this rate George Monbiot will be repenting in a year or two!
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PMM
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Re: Mainstream media starts to wake up on climate change fraud
Feb 02, 2010, 23:48
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Did you actually read that link DM?
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DarkMagus
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Re: Mainstream media starts to wake up on climate change fraud
Feb 02, 2010, 23:58
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Yes. I'm just amazed the BBC covered it. You may notice my post alluded to the slow pace of change in views by the MSM.
BTW the IPCC just got a serious monstering on Newsnight. I almost felt sorry for their representative.
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PMM
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Re: Mainstream media starts to wake up on climate change fraud
Feb 03, 2010, 00:08
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Sorry. You just lost me there. You're responding to an article that says things like
Richard Black wrote: In some circles, every single -gate "relevation" has been followed by a ritualised fanfare claiming that the picture of climate warming through rising greenhouse gases concentrations has now been "fatally undermined", or some similar phrase.
Journalists with an eye for old-fashioned concepts such as balance, like Fred Pearce, are careful to avoid making that conclusion.
and that shows a graph that compares the contentious Chinese data with later, corroborated data. A graph that is to all intents and purposes, identical.
But you're responding as if it supports your argument.
It doesn't. It does exactly the opposite.
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DarkMagus
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Re: Mainstream media starts to wake up on climate change fraud
Feb 03, 2010, 00:19
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My fundamental arguement has always been that science cannot predict climate. The temperature record is academic. Sadly, the climatologists seem unfamiliar with chaos theory. Mathematicians, physicists, engineers & chemists of my acquaintance laugh at the ignorance & hubris of those who think they can predict climate.
Must go and collect my cheque from BP...
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PMM
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Edited Feb 03, 2010, 00:49
Re: Mainstream media starts to wake up on climate change fraud
Feb 03, 2010, 00:45
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If I drop a grain of sugar onto a table, I will not be able to predict where it stops. That's Chaos Theory.
If I drop a million grains of sugar onto a table, they will form a cone shaped mound.
See, I've just made a prediction. Despite the existance of chaos, I'll bet you any amount of money, or even my left leg, that I can predict the pattern that will emerge.
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DarkMagus
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Re: Mainstream media starts to wake up on climate change fraud
Feb 03, 2010, 00:54
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You have no idea what you are talking about! hahahaahahahaha. Go read up on chaos theory. Pay attention to the part about predicting systems based on known rules and starting conditions. Sorry I can't provide a link as I'm working from memory, not some wonky Wiki article.. Maybe a lightbulb will light up above your head. Maybe not. Thanks for the laugh!!
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