grufty jim
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Re: ever circulating library?
Jan 24, 2003, 14:40
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Please read my response to lobsterboy a few messages below for MY issues. Dunno about anyone else.
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FourWinds
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Re: ever circulating library?
Jan 24, 2003, 14:54
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I think I'm gonna cry! Beautifully put sir!
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Holy McGrail
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Re: ever circulating library?
Jan 24, 2003, 14:57
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Dear Grufty Jim,
Truly a monumental articulation.
You Rock!
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ratcni01
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Re: ever circulating library?
Jan 24, 2003, 14:59
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I think GJ is a ver eloquent and great person - read his postings. He has been posting here for a long time - I am a mere babe in arms compared to the Gruf Jim'liness.
If cachers didn't deposit stuff there you wouldn't need to be asking us to help manage your sport (for want of a better word).
Anyway, coat on - I'm off, I'll prolly stick me head round the door - but thats enough for me of the great geo-clash-of-the titans
Peaceful stuff
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Squid Tempest
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Re: ever circulating library?
Jan 24, 2003, 14:59
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the Gruft emerges, spouting flames of logic...
smashing!
Squiddo
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shep
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Re: ever circulating library?
Jan 24, 2003, 15:01
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More reason to use ammoboxes instead of tupperware, I suppose.
I'd like to see the little buggers chew through one of those.
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FourWinds
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Re: ever circulating library?
Jan 24, 2003, 15:11
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Jim,
Getting this message across to anyone is, as you know, the hardest of the hard.
We live in world that thinks the following is 'normal' and 'acceptable':
The biggest selling water in Ireland is Red River Rock. The biggest selling water in Canada is Ballygowan. Now you know where this is going, but I'll continue ...
It is common sense (apparently - well it must be the advertising says so) to wrap water in congealed oil bi-products and then in a further layer of the same, then load it into a plain and fly it across the Atlantic Ocean using mamouth amount of fossil energy, while at the same time another plane is going in the other direction doing exactly the same thing!
Utter madness. When people accpt that as acceptable use of plastic what hope have we got?
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Reluctant Defender
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Back on topic, sort of
Jan 24, 2003, 16:06
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Geocaching is much larger in the US then the rest of the world, so they are the best examples. The ban in the US National Parks was pretty much an early knee-jerk reaction, sorta what happened here on TMA. Funny thing is from the disscusions when it happened, these are the same National Parks that have so many tourists being bused in, and so many old folks in motorhomes, that some of the rangers have actually taken to wearing gas masks on busy days, because of the exhaust fumes! The National Parks system is actually fairly small, and other US gov agencies have their own rules regarding geocaching. One of the largest agencies in seems to be the Bureau Of Land Managment. Here is their take on geocaching: http://www.blm.gov/nhp/efoia/wo/fy02/im2002-017.html
That is just one example. I can link you to pages of geocaches that were placed by or in cooperation with govt officials and land managers of parks, forests, and historic sites. You see, many of them also feel the very minor negative impact that leaving a small (many of these are just 35mm film cans) container that is totally hidden from view, if far outweighed by the element they attract. Far too many people these days, kids especially, sit in front of the tv or the pc, and never leave the house. It takes them to parks, scenic places, nature preserves, and historic places that they often didn't know existed. While your searching our site for geocaches you think might offend you, take the time to read the logs posted. They are full of comments from people who are happy to have found something the whole family can enjoy. They are exploring places they never knew existed. They are learning about nature and history, and how to enjoy it properly. Outside of TNA, how many families do you know that spend weekends hiking, and exploring the countryside and picking up bags of litter? Not many I bet. Many land managers, once they actually understand geocaching, actually embrace it. No, not EVERY geocacher is a saint, and its possible that there are caches that slip thru that shouldn't be there. But we try to handle those as they come up. There are 50,000 registered users at geocaching.com. Its estimated that 5 times that number participate (many people dont care to log their visits on the website. They can usually be spotted by the foil poking out from under their hats). Any time you put that many people in a room, your are going to find a few rotten ones. We weed them out best we can. You have your share of them here, it seems. Most recently Dan and Pid! Geocaching has been around about as long, time-wise, as TMA it seems, but has grown at a much larger pace. If you had 5million hits to your website last month, you might expect more then a few more Dans here. The fact that we have very few troublemakers (besides the un-named one) should show you that we are not a bunch of littering hooligans. Govt agencies are starting to recognize that geocachers at the least are no worse then any other normal visiter, and in most cases are much better then the normal person, when it comes to care and respect of the areas they manage.
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Squid Tempest
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Re: Back on topic, sort of
Jan 24, 2003, 16:17
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>Outside of TNA, how many families do you know that spend weekends hiking, and exploring the countryside and picking up bags of litter? Not many I bet. <
erm, quite a few actually - most of my social circle. And they don't feel the need to leave anything behind either. As for far too many kids sitting in front of the TV, what is wrong with just going out for a walk, or to visit somewhere? why this continual insistance that it is necessary to have a physical cache? talk about a blind spot. it strikes me that needing the excuse of hunting for a little box in order to get out of the house is a bit sad really. OK, so some ppl might think it sad that I (generally) like to choose an ancient site to visit when I go out for a walk - but having to go on a treasure hunt to see the countryside - perlease! I'm getting pretty sick of this total obtuseness and refusal to understand the possible environmental impact of leaving these boxes all over the shop, hidden or not. Not to mention the possible damage caused by ppl looking for them, which seems to have been conveniently forgotten.
Squiddo
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FourWinds
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Crossover
Jan 24, 2003, 16:38
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This has now moved from a TMA issue about monuments to a U-Know issue about litter. Very curious! Don't think that's happened before - certainly not on this scale anyhooo!
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