Monganaut
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Interesting article in Daily Tory...Men almost wiped out in Spain between 4500-4000BCE by Russians
Mar 15, 2019, 21:01
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Huddersfield Uni study....
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-6814183/How-men-Spain-completely-wiped-4-500-4-000-years-ago.html
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thesweetcheat
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Re: Interesting article in Daily Tory...Men almost wiped out in Spain between 4500-4000BCE by Russians
Mar 16, 2019, 06:39
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Here's a summary on the Huddersfield uni website to save sully ing your browser with the Daily Hate:
https://www.hud.ac.uk/news/2019/march/iberian-ancient-dna-marina%20silva-huddersfield/
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Monganaut
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Re: Interesting article in Daily Tory...Men almost wiped out in Spain between 4500-4000BCE by Russians
Mar 16, 2019, 19:35
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Why didn't I think of that! (bit thick I guess :)
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thesweetcheat
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Re: Interesting article in Daily Tory...Men almost wiped out in Spain between 4500-4000BCE by Russians
Mar 16, 2019, 22:03
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Monganaut wrote: Why didn't I think of that! (bit thick I guess :)
Hahaha! I'll go out of my way to avoid Heil links :)
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Zariadris
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Edited Mar 17, 2019, 11:41
Re: Interesting article in Daily Tory...Men almost wiped out in Spain between 4500-4000BCE by Russians
Mar 17, 2019, 08:44
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Monganaut wrote:
Thank you Monganaut and Sweetcheat for these articles. Sweetcheat - you provided an invaluable service as that Daily Mail page was freaking me out, as much with its sleazy layout as the horrible comments.
The study is fascinating isn't it, and dovetails with the recent findings on megalithic origins, which included the unknown-to-me news that the carriers of megalithic culture were from the Iberian peninsula. Quoting from the NYTimes: "Dr. Kristiansen said that “an added bonus” of the work is that, “This matches the most recent genetic evidence we have. Recent ancient DNA results show that people in Ireland and England came from Iberia.”
But I need to re-read and parse all this more carefully, as the current study says the Iberian immigrants into Northern Europe were the Beaker People, and doesn't mention the Neolithic folk. Two waves? Got to put all the pieces together....
Thanks again you two.
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tjj
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Edited Mar 17, 2019, 15:55
Re: Interesting article in Daily Tory...Men almost wiped out in Spain between 4500-4000BCE by Russians
Mar 17, 2019, 15:52
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Monganaut wrote: Why didn't I think of that! (bit thick I guess :)
Hah! there's me thinking better not join in this discussion as brain cells having a lie-down. However, the phrase 'sex-bias' got me going and I started googling. Came across quite a few 'scholarly articles' which made interesting reading insofar as I was able to decipher them. This one caught my attention.
https://www.pnas.org/content/114/10/2657.short
Article closes with this paragraph:
The contrasting patterns of sex-specific migration during these two migrations suggest a view of differing cultural histories in which the Neolithic transition was driven by mass migration of both males and females in roughly equal numbers, perhaps whole families, whereas the later Bronze Age migration and cultural shift were instead driven by male migration, potentially connected to new technology and conquest.
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Zariadris
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Edited Mar 17, 2019, 16:10
Re: Interesting article in Daily Tory...Men almost wiped out in Spain between 4500-4000BCE by Russians
Mar 17, 2019, 15:58
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tjj wrote: Monganaut wrote: Why didn't I think of that! (bit thick I guess :)
Hah! there's me thinking better not join in this discussion as brain cells having a lie-down. However, the phrase 'sex-bias' got me going and I started googling. Came across quite a few 'scholarly articles' which made interesting reading insofar as I was able to decipher them. This one caught my attention.
https://www.pnas.org/content/114/10/2657.short
Article closes with this paragraph:
The contrasting patterns of sex-specific migration during these two migrations suggest a view of differing cultural histories in which the Neolithic transition was driven by mass migration of both males and females in roughly equal numbers, perhaps whole families, whereas the later Bronze Age migration and cultural shift were instead driven by male migration, potentially connected to new technology and conquest.
This is fascinating, and reinforces ideas of the Bronze Age and its shifts in values and power - ideas I remember first thinking about on reading TMA years back. Thank you.
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