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spencer
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World's oldest intact ship found
Oct 23, 2018, 12:27
News announced today...a Greek trading vessel from 400BC has been found in the Black Sea off the coast of Bulgaria at a depth of 2km by the Black Sea Marine Archaeology Project, preserved by the anoxic environment. Twenty three metres long... like the hippoi of the Phoenicians, the Straits of Gibraltar would have posed no problem to exploration and trade with the UK and Ireland. A film of the discovery is premiereing at the British Museum today which I assume will be on telly at some point, and there's a sample vid online too. Fascinating and illuminating.
Monganaut
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Re: World's oldest intact ship found
Oct 23, 2018, 20:26
Yeah, saw that. Preservation in pics is amazing. No plans to raise it, thinking is it's to fragile. Makes you wonder if these rocked up at Tintagel etc... whilst trading.
spencer
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Re: World's oldest intact ship found
Oct 23, 2018, 21:10
Yup...I reckon they went w a y further north. I've read that the Phoenicians traded westward to the Straits and beyond via the south side of the Med while the Greeks went along the north side. Who transported the Orkney vole, origin in the Levant and other stronghold on the Belgian coast, well, take your pick. The stone carvings in Denmark of boats look like hippoi, with their raised prows and decorations atop are very similar to Viking longships but predate them by many centuries. Progenitors? The Greek boat doesn't appear to have a prow decoration but of course it could have fallen off..but, hey, what remains is remarkable.
Monganaut
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Edited Oct 23, 2018, 23:09
Re: World's oldest intact ship found
Oct 23, 2018, 23:05
In many ways, it looks like the Greeks were almost proto Vikings/Saxons. Was watching that cheap and cheezy channel 5 docu on that recently discovered broken pharaoh statue. According to the programme, Greek warriors were the elite fighters of their day, and were used as mercenaries to the particular pharaoh whose bust it was when he (with their assistance) overthrew the overlords to whom he and his father were puppet rulers under. They were alluded to as 'bronze men from the sea'....very Jason and the Argonauts :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_mercenaries
Robot Emperor
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Re: World's oldest intact ship found
Nov 05, 2018, 10:02
Monganaut wrote:
Yeah, saw that. Preservation in pics is amazing. No plans to raise it, thinking is it's to fragile. Makes you wonder if these rocked up at Tintagel etc... whilst trading.


One of the great lost books from antiquity is an account of a journey made by a Greek - Pytheas - to find where Tin came from. He supposedly circumnavigated Britain, travelled extensively inland and left a written account of what he found. We know about it because other ancient writers refer and quote from it but the original is long gone. Only from about 325bce, but it would be fascinating to have another account on top of Caesar's. 400 odd years before the Roman occupation. Sigh. It may come to light, they're still regularly finding new stuff.

Apparently supply lines were so convoluted that places were trading with each other without knowing the other existed. As well as Britain and Tin, there was extensive trade with China and India even in the ancient world - but no one in a position to see where all this stuff came from. My favourite is the growing conviction that Samurai swords and those made in Toledo used steel imported from the same region of India. Toledo steel swords - favoured by Hannibal and his attack on Rome... linked to Bushido and all that.
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