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nigelswift 8112 posts |
Aug 06, 2012, 16:51
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bladup wrote: most of the time their theories are rubbish To be considered rubbish (or sound) ALL theories need to be tested. That goes for both academics and mystics.
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bladup 1986 posts |
Aug 06, 2012, 17:06
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tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: nigelswift wrote: "it should be their job to prove us wrong" Should it? Shouldn't it be their job to test THEIR theories, not yours? Equally, as I understand it, you say you know stuff about sites intuitively and you offer as proof the fact you have a higher artefact finds rate than everyone else. Isn't it your job to demonstrate that's true, not simply assert it? I have all the stuff and where it's from, that's clearly proof enough, it's all here , but why would i lie? i'm an honest person, but even photo's wouldn't satisfy everyone would they? and regarding theories most of the time their theories are rubbish as those types of people have no imagination and have learned everything from other people in the flesh and out of books, they fill themselves up with other peoples crap and have no room for anything themselves, a lot of it is just layer upon layer of lies, backing up the last lie, a monolopy of rubbish knowledge, real truth in an ever changing world is a bit trickier than people think, but thats what people want - some truth to grab onto- the next thing you have monsters like science [with it's bombs] and religion [with it's bombs], when we live within nature we are ok. By looking outward all the time we have forgot to look within!! If something , relevant to this discussion or website , is a lie or wrong and you can refute it do so . Pointing out errors clears the waters . No nothings a lie and what i'm saying is it's wrong for anyone to say someones wrong when there is a chance that they're right, before carbon dating 99 % of people got dates wrong, but 1 % got them right, to some it's just lucky guessing, to others they somehow knew, so because in time everything's proved wrong it's probably also wrong to say anybody's wrong, no matter how far out their idea because for all we know they could one day be proved right. This is hard i know but it is true----- look though history, it isn't hard, one day people will laugh at what we thought like people laugh at things in history [look how popular horrible histories on kids telly is at the moment], really one day people from the future will laugh at what some people from our age now think....they probably already are!! oohhherrr
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bladup 1986 posts |
Aug 06, 2012, 17:23
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nigelswift wrote: bladup wrote: most of the time their theories are rubbish To be considered rubbish (or sound) ALL theories need to be tested. That goes for both academics and mystics. No they don't, in that world they do [prove it, prove it again- oh i can't so therefore it can't be true], just because someone can't prove something is true doesn't make it a lie.... [i know it doesn't make it true either], step out of that world and you SHOULD be free to think what you want, however far out it may seem, history is full of people "knowing this and that" and most of it is now rubbish and whats left will one day be classed as rubbish, thats what i mean by saying it leads from lie to lie, the best that can be said is proving something wrong just leads to something else that is wrong [ sometimes even more so-- we all know that sometimes happens]. like i said science = bombs[ thats what happened], religion=bombs [ thats what happened]--- all from people getting things wrong, lie upon lie and people die, an atomic bomb is a real truth------great- i would rather have a lie thanks.
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Aug 06, 2012, 17:36
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bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: nigelswift wrote: "it should be their job to prove us wrong" Should it? Shouldn't it be their job to test THEIR theories, not yours? Equally, as I understand it, you say you know stuff about sites intuitively and you offer as proof the fact you have a higher artefact finds rate than everyone else. Isn't it your job to demonstrate that's true, not simply assert it? I have all the stuff and where it's from, that's clearly proof enough, it's all here , but why would i lie? i'm an honest person, but even photo's wouldn't satisfy everyone would they? and regarding theories most of the time their theories are rubbish as those types of people have no imagination and have learned everything from other people in the flesh and out of books, they fill themselves up with other peoples crap and have no room for anything themselves, a lot of it is just layer upon layer of lies, backing up the last lie, a monolopy of rubbish knowledge, real truth in an ever changing world is a bit trickier than people think, but thats what people want - some truth to grab onto- the next thing you have monsters like science [with it's bombs] and religion [with it's bombs], when we live within nature we are ok. By looking outward all the time we have forgot to look within!! If something , relevant to this discussion or website , is a lie or wrong and you can refute it do so . Pointing out errors clears the waters . No nothings a lie and what i'm saying is it's wrong for anyone to say someones wrong when there is a chance that they're right, before carbon dating 99 % of people got dates wrong, but 1 % got them right, to some it's just lucky guessing, to others they somehow knew, so because in time everything's proved wrong it's probably also wrong to say anybody's wrong, no matter how far out their idea because for all we know they could one day be proved right. This is hard i know but it is true----- look though history, it isn't hard, one day people will laugh at what we thought like people laugh at things in history [look how popular horrible histories on kids telly is at the moment], really one day people from the future will laugh at what some people from our age now think....they probably already are!! oohhherrr Your form of epistemological nihilism , as pointed out yesterday , is self contradictory . If everything is ultimately going to be wrong then so is that statement , and any other comment you make , it's a schoolboy howler to get off doing any work , or allowing twittering nonsense in the hope that it might one day it might be right . It doesn't work like that , not every nonsensical statement is right for fifteen minutes and some “facts “ much older than 500 years , produced by those who actually made an effort , are still as good a model and still as useful today .
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nigelswift 8112 posts |
Aug 06, 2012, 17:44
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"Can't prove" doesn't mean "can't be true". On the other hand, "can't prove" is a pretty poor basis on which to try to convince anybody of anything. Especially if you also rollock them for not being convinced!
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bladup 1986 posts |
Aug 06, 2012, 17:58
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tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: [quote="nigelswift"]"it should be their job to prove us wrong" Should it? Shouldn't it be their job to test THEIR theories, not yours? Equally, as I understand it, you say you know stuff about sites intuitively and you offer as proof the fact you have a higher artefact finds rate than everyone else. Isn't it your job to demonstrate that's true, not simply assert it? I have all the stuff and where it's from, that's clearly proof enough, it's all here , but why would i lie? i'm an honest person, but even photo's wouldn't satisfy everyone would they? and regarding theories most of the time their theories are rubbish as those types of people have no imagination and have learned everything from other people in the flesh and out of books, they fill themselves up with other peoples crap and have no room for anything themselves, a lot of it is just layer upon layer of lies, backing up the last lie, a monolopy of rubbish knowledge, real truth in an ever changing world is a bit trickier than people think, but thats what people want - some truth to grab onto- the next thing you have monsters like science [with it's bombs] and religion [with it's bombs], when we live within nature we are ok. By looking outward all the time we have forgot to look within!! If something , relevant to this discussion or website , is a lie or wrong and you can refute it do so . Pointing out errors clears the waters . No nothings a lie and what i'm saying is it's wrong for anyone to say someones wrong when there is a chance that they're right, before carbon dating 99 % of people got dates wrong, but 1 % got them right, to some it's just lucky guessing, to others they somehow knew, so because in time everything's proved wrong it's probably also wrong to say anybody's wrong, no matter how far out their idea because for all we know they could one day be proved right. This is hard i know but it is true----- look though history, it isn't hard, one day people will laugh at what we thought like people laugh at things in history [look how popular horrible histories on kids telly is at the moment], really one day people from the future will laugh at what some people from our age now think....they probably already are!! oohhherrr Your form of epistemological nihilism , as pointed out yesterday , is self contradictory . If everything is ultimately going to be wrong then so is that statement , and any other comment you make , it's a schoolboy howler to get off doing any work , or allowing twittering nonsense in the hope that it might one day it might be right . It doesn't work like that , not every nonsensical statement is right for fifteen minutes and some “facts “ much older than 500 years , produced by those who actually made an effort , are still as good a model and still as useful today .[/ Just because it's "epistemological nihilism" doesn't mean it's wrong and loke you said we covered that yesterday, but go on give me some real truths i want a laugh.....
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Aug 06, 2012, 18:11
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bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: [quote="nigelswift"]"it should be their job to prove us wrong" Should it? Shouldn't it be their job to test THEIR theories, not yours? Equally, as I understand it, you say you know stuff about sites intuitively and you offer as proof the fact you have a higher artefact finds rate than everyone else. Isn't it your job to demonstrate that's true, not simply assert it? I have all the stuff and where it's from, that's clearly proof enough, it's all here , but why would i lie? i'm an honest person, but even photo's wouldn't satisfy everyone would they? and regarding theories most of the time their theories are rubbish as those types of people have no imagination and have learned everything from other people in the flesh and out of books, they fill themselves up with other peoples crap and have no room for anything themselves, a lot of it is just layer upon layer of lies, backing up the last lie, a monolopy of rubbish knowledge, real truth in an ever changing world is a bit trickier than people think, but thats what people want - some truth to grab onto- the next thing you have monsters like science [with it's bombs] and religion [with it's bombs], when we live within nature we are ok. By looking outward all the time we have forgot to look within!! If something , relevant to this discussion or website , is a lie or wrong and you can refute it do so . Pointing out errors clears the waters . No nothings a lie and what i'm saying is it's wrong for anyone to say someones wrong when there is a chance that they're right, before carbon dating 99 % of people got dates wrong, but 1 % got them right, to some it's just lucky guessing, to others they somehow knew, so because in time everything's proved wrong it's probably also wrong to say anybody's wrong, no matter how far out their idea because for all we know they could one day be proved right. This is hard i know but it is true----- look though history, it isn't hard, one day people will laugh at what we thought like people laugh at things in history [look how popular horrible histories on kids telly is at the moment], really one day people from the future will laugh at what some people from our age now think....they probably already are!! oohhherrr Your form of epistemological nihilism , as pointed out yesterday , is self contradictory . If everything is ultimately going to be wrong then so is that statement , and any other comment you make , it's a schoolboy howler to get off doing any work , or allowing twittering nonsense in the hope that it might one day it might be right . It doesn't work like that , not every nonsensical statement is right for fifteen minutes and some “facts “ much older than 500 years , produced by those who actually made an effort , are still as good a model and still as useful today .[/ Just because it's "epistemological nihilism" doesn't mean it's wrong and loke you said we covered that yesterday, but go on give me some real truths i want a laugh..... It's self contradictory .If you had read recent posts you would have seen my thoughts on "truth" . Here's a comment that is wrong whichever way you look at or whatever the source ."Stone circles have nothing left in them [thats why archeologists don't like them] and when they do find stuff it's from a different age [romans liked leaving coins] to when the circle was built, " .
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bladup 1986 posts |
Aug 06, 2012, 18:27
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nigelswift wrote: "Can't prove" doesn't mean "can't be true". On the other hand, "can't prove" is a pretty poor basis on which to try to convince anybody of anything. Especially if you also rollock them for not being convinced! Nobody rollocked anybody for not been convinced, ANYBODY can think what they want -freedom of thought is our one lost true freedom, i rollocked somebody for been rude and saying my opinion wasn't as important as his and because i was told i was wrong because a collection of books told him i was wrong, if it was from his own experience i wouldn't have said a thing, it was like having a load of books rammed down your neck, i speak from experience not books, and even when i did speak from burls and barnetts [as i have read these] books i had that rammed back down my throat as well, there is rudeness there [ a bit of give and take is all right by me- he seems fine-i'm fine, there's no harm done, i feel he was rude to me before i was to him,and i'm sure he thinks the same, but it doesn't matter!!] opinions DO NOT HAVE to be backed up or proved right to be valid, there isn't that rule here-you lot are not the truth police, i did back it up though and still had trouble, thats why this place has lost so many interesting hippy types, because to some they have to prove [back up] everything they say,which is a shame because they don't have to do they really? , and anyway are you two the same person, if not i suggest a pagan handfasting marriage,
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bladup 1986 posts |
Aug 06, 2012, 18:35
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tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: [quote="nigelswift"]"it should be their job to prove us wrong" Should it? Shouldn't it be their job to test THEIR theories, not yours? Equally, as I understand it, you say you know stuff about sites intuitively and you offer as proof the fact you have a higher artefact finds rate than everyone else. Isn't it your job to demonstrate that's true, not simply assert it? I have all the stuff and where it's from, that's clearly proof enough, it's all here , but why would i lie? i'm an honest person, but even photo's wouldn't satisfy everyone would they? and regarding theories most of the time their theories are rubbish as those types of people have no imagination and have learned everything from other people in the flesh and out of books, they fill themselves up with other peoples crap and have no room for anything themselves, a lot of it is just layer upon layer of lies, backing up the last lie, a monolopy of rubbish knowledge, real truth in an ever changing world is a bit trickier than people think, but thats what people want - some truth to grab onto- the next thing you have monsters like science [with it's bombs] and religion [with it's bombs], when we live within nature we are ok. By looking outward all the time we have forgot to look within!! If something , relevant to this discussion or website , is a lie or wrong and you can refute it do so . Pointing out errors clears the waters . No nothings a lie and what i'm saying is it's wrong for anyone to say someones wrong when there is a chance that they're right, before carbon dating 99 % of people got dates wrong, but 1 % got them right, to some it's just lucky guessing, to others they somehow knew, so because in time everything's proved wrong it's probably also wrong to say anybody's wrong, no matter how far out their idea because for all we know they could one day be proved right. This is hard i know but it is true----- look though history, it isn't hard, one day people will laugh at what we thought like people laugh at things in history [look how popular horrible histories on kids telly is at the moment], really one day people from the future will laugh at what some people from our age now think....they probably already are!! oohhherrr Your form of epistemological nihilism , as pointed out yesterday , is self contradictory . If everything is ultimately going to be wrong then so is that statement , and any other comment you make , it's a schoolboy howler to get off doing any work , or allowing twittering nonsense in the hope that it might one day it might be right . It doesn't work like that , not every nonsensical statement is right for fifteen minutes and some “facts “ much older than 500 years , produced by those who actually made an effort , are still as good a model and still as useful today .[/ Just because it's "epistemological nihilism" doesn't mean it's wrong and loke you said we covered that yesterday, but go on give me some real truths i want a laugh..... It's self contradictory .If you had read recent posts you would have seen my thoughts on "truth" . Here's a comment that is wrong whichever way you look at or whatever the source ."Stone circles have nothing left in them [thats why archeologists don't like them] and when they do find stuff it's from a different age [romans liked leaving coins] to when the circle was built, " . Look the archeologists were often after meta,[ i come from lincoln where they are just interested in the roman stuff not the older stuff below it, even though they know alots there or something that'll get them in the news, it is changing because now they are trying to find a truth that'll one day no doubt be proved a lie, talk about going round in circles..... i know we like the places but this is silly.
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nigelswift 8112 posts |
Aug 06, 2012, 19:00
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I wish I was him, I'd know more. He wishes he was me as he wouldn't be getting all this abuse from you! "opinions DO NOT HAVE to be backed up or proved right to be valid" I agree if by "to be valid" you mean "to be an entitlement". However if you mean "to be accepted as true" or even "to be accepted as likely to be true" I don't - unless of course some convincing evidence is offered. Then the listener is entitled to weigh it and decide. " i did back it up though" I disagree. A collection of artefacts don't indicate you were led to them by intuition. BTW if they came from scheduled sites you shouldn't really take them and if they didn't you ought to report them. (Who knows, they might end up in a dreaded book and people may learn from them!)
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