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tiompan 5758 posts |
Jun 02, 2009, 14:11
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moss wrote: Well perhaps one word will give a clue to exploration..'phenomenological', this perhaps is where some of the new archaeologists are coming from, experiencing the landscape through a 'thought' process of what it might have been like at that particular time of history.. It is a subjective approach, the old objective 'interpretation' of earlier archaeology has been dissed for a new modern approach;).. Julian Thomas is a phenomenologist I believe, cant say about the others, and I think MPP has been criticised to some extent for a reliance on other cultures to interpret Stonehenge... in the game of theories you can never arrive at an ultimate truth, unless of course you're Dr.Who... I think if the next generation become any more phenomenological then MPP will seen as comparatively acceptable . Hopefully there will be a reaction and maybe a return to the less subjective .A more objective approach like Anthony Johnson might be a start although he is a wee bit too established to be considered "new generation "
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tjj 3606 posts |
Jun 02, 2009, 15:30
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tiompan wrote: moss wrote: Well perhaps one word will give a clue to exploration..'phenomenological', this perhaps is where some of the new archaeologists are coming from, experiencing the landscape through a 'thought' process of what it might have been like at that particular time of history.. It is a subjective approach, the old objective 'interpretation' of earlier archaeology has been dissed for a new modern approach;).. Julian Thomas is a phenomenologist I believe, cant say about the others, and I think MPP has been criticised to some extent for a reliance on other cultures to interpret Stonehenge... in the game of theories you can never arrive at an ultimate truth, unless of course you're Dr.Who... I think if the next generation become any more phenomenological then MPP will seen as comparatively acceptable . Hopefully there will be a reaction and maybe a return to the less subjective .A more objective approach like Anthony Johnson might be a start although he is a wee bit too established to be considered "new generation " http://www.phenomenologycenter.org/phenom.htm For anyone like me who didn't know what phenomenology means .... or is this just another method of making the subject of archaeology inaccessible to all but the sanctified few.
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nigelswift 8112 posts |
Edited Jun 02, 2009, 15:42
Jun 02, 2009, 15:39
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"or is this just another method of making the subject of archaeology inaccessible to all but the sanctified few." Well, during the 1920s it spread to Australia, France, Hungary, The Netherlands and Flanders, Poland, and the United States and to research on communicology (then called symbolism), education, music, and religion; and during the 1930s it spread to Czechoslovakia, Italy, Korea, and Yugoslavia and to research on architecture, literature, and theater. Right after World War II, phenomenology then spread to Portugal, Scandinavia, and South Africa, and also to research on ethnicity, film, gender, and politics; in the 1960s and 1970s it spread to Canada, China, and India and to dance, geography, law, and psychology; and, finally, in the 1980s and 1990s it spread to Great Britain and also to ecology, ethnology, medicine, and nursing. In view of its continual development and its spread into other disciplines as well as across the planet, phenomenology is arguably the most significant philosophical movement in the 20th century " so no, it probably isn't just another method of making the subject of archaeology inaccessible to all but the sanctified few! ;)
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Jun 02, 2009, 15:43
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tjj wrote: tiompan wrote: moss wrote: Well perhaps one word will give a clue to exploration..'phenomenological', this perhaps is where some of the new archaeologists are coming from, experiencing the landscape through a 'thought' process of what it might have been like at that particular time of history.. It is a subjective approach, the old objective 'interpretation' of earlier archaeology has been dissed for a new modern approach;).. Julian Thomas is a phenomenologist I believe, cant say about the others, and I think MPP has been criticised to some extent for a reliance on other cultures to interpret Stonehenge... in the game of theories you can never arrive at an ultimate truth, unless of course you're Dr.Who... I think if the next generation become any more phenomenological then MPP will seen as comparatively acceptable . Hopefully there will be a reaction and maybe a return to the less subjective .A more objective approach like Anthony Johnson might be a start although he is a wee bit too established to be considered "new generation " http://www.phenomenologycenter.org/phenom.htm For anyone like me who didn't know what phenomenology means .... or is this just another method of making the subject of archaeology inaccessible to all but the sanctified few. The use of the term is a bit older than is suggested by the site , Lambert 18 th C certainly used it . Similar to the misuse of deconstruction , it is really a synonym for subjectivity ., sling in a bit of Merleau -Ponty and you can happily twitter about how you feel about any site anywhere and because you are a qualified archaeo it just might provide new info . Posters do it all the time here and it's no more or less valid but doesn't really tell us anything new about the site other than learning how others "see/feel " it . The technical term for any P word stuff I have ever read in relation to archaeology is bollocks .
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ToneStone 1768 posts |
Jun 02, 2009, 16:24
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So we have a "Four Poster" on Sailsbury plain :D Is this the most southern example of a four stone square setting ?
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Littlestone 5386 posts |
Jun 02, 2009, 16:32
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Haven't had a chance to look at this yet but seems to be generating some interesting comments :-)
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Jun 02, 2009, 16:33
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ToneStone wrote: So we have a "Four Poster" on Sailsbury plain :D Is this the most southern example of a four stone square setting ? I didn't see the stone sockets on the prog and remain sceptical .
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Gwass 193 posts |
Jun 02, 2009, 16:35
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Thanks for that, it's all very interesting. I'd not really heard of phenomonology in the way it is described in the link someone posted and felt it was a bit inaccessible. However I have recently got a book called the phenomonology of landscape which I've not read yet but I understood it in an archaeological sense to refer to the sybolic way in which ancient people or otherwise encountered their landscape both in a real and spiritual sense, which I thought was exactly what the programme last night was exploring i.e. a real and imaginery line (the cursus) defining a zone of the living from a zone of the dead etc etc. Why rivers, hills, pottery, stone axes, ditches etc were sacred rather than just functional entities in peoples minds. Not be that familiar with phenomonology I'm not sure. Would welcome anyones thoughts.
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Pete G 3506 posts |
Jun 02, 2009, 16:51
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the trench did not cover the sockets but they said it showed up on geophys.
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Jun 02, 2009, 16:53
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Gwass wrote: Thanks for that, it's all very interesting. I'd not really heard of phenomonology in the way it is described in the link someone posted and felt it was a bit inaccessible. However I have recently got a book called the phenomonology of landscape which I've not read yet but I understood it in an archaeological sense to refer to the sybolic way in which ancient people or otherwise encountered their landscape both in a real and spiritual sense, which I thought was exactly what the programme last night was exploring i.e. a real and imaginery line (the cursus) defining a zone of the living from a zone of the dead etc etc. Why rivers, hills, pottery, stone axes, ditches etc were sacred rather than just functional entities in peoples minds. Not be that familiar with phenomonology I'm not sure. Would welcome anyones thoughts. Tilley's "P of landscape " is the classic British P archaeological text . It's probably not fair for me to say too much seeing as you have yet to read it but I found it , as well as his other P inspired books (didn't learn did I ?) , trying to be polite , tosh . It's the ramblings of a 20 th C archaeo who has gone for a few walks in important prehistoric landscapes and allowed us an insight into how he thinks one of the earlier inhabitants of that landscape might have perceived it .As mentioned earlier people are always writing about their subjective feelings at monuments , Tilley has a greater breadth of knowledge in relation to these sites than the average punter but this does not translate into a better appreciation of Neolithic/ Bronze Age cognition , David Cameron couldn't have been less inspiring , Merleau -Ponty and the whole notion of embodiment is an inavluable tool but I have yet to read anything convincing in relation to archaeology . It's reminiscent of trendy vicars rapping a sermon . I hear he is a really nice bloke though .
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