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CianMcLiam 1067 posts |
Nov 09, 2009, 22:49
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Would love to get a copy of this book but the link seems to be down. Really interested to see what arguments are made for the good old noble savage, last time I saw him he was stuck in customs for smuggling scalps in his hand luggage :)
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baza 1308 posts |
Nov 11, 2009, 00:49
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The link is working now http://dreamflesh.com/projects/war-noble-savage/
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CianMcLiam 1067 posts |
Nov 11, 2009, 19:52
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Yes, so I see. Think I've put buying it on the long finger though, listened to his talk based on the book and it's dampened my optimism that he might restore some of the old romanticism about prehistoric peacefulness. Unless he's keeping some extraordinarily powerful arguments and evidence up his sleeve for the book it seems the arguments are fairly poor. Shame really since his reviews of Pinker's and Keeley's books seemed insightful and balanced with an openess to challenging of prior held beliefs so it seemed to me that writing a book to 'debunk' their debunking of the noble savage would reveal fatal flaws in the logic, data and interpretation. Instead it seems to be a goal post shifting exercise.
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moss 2897 posts |
Nov 28, 2009, 08:53
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Light xmas reading for stone people but what on earth were the tories and Thatcher doing at a stone circle AND a stone for birth control which is one you rarely see amongst all these 'fertility' stones........ "101 Things To Do With A Stone Circle covers the things people have believed about and done with stone circles and other ancient sites over the past few hundred years. The list ranges from places of executions to the venue for a rock concert, from marriages to the dining table of an intrepid antiquarian with a head for heights. Some sites have been associated with fairies, the Devil, UFOs, space aliens and visionary experiences, while others have been used for promoting fertility. The cast of characters also includes Druids, Romans, ancient Egyptians, witches and Margaret Thatcher's Tory Government. Ley-lines, murders, ghosts and dowsing all feature, as well as the use of stone circles in rock music, movies and Doctor Who." http://tinyurl.com/yjv2fny
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nigelswift 8112 posts |
Nov 28, 2009, 09:01
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From a Guardian article about Stonehenge quoted on the Portal - " In the late 1980s a road to some proposed new visitor centre cut across an officer's vegetable patch at Larkhill Barracks. The ministry instantly declared the patch vital to national security. The Army Board even took the matter to Downing Street and a meeting with Margaret Thatcher. When she furiously overruled it, the board marked her order "urgent" and threw it in the bin." http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=2146412421
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Littlestone 5386 posts |
Edited Dec 23, 2009, 20:18
Dec 23, 2009, 19:38
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Littlestone wrote: Geoffrey Grigson's 1960s guide to touring the countryside (The Shell Country Alphabet) has been republished (see http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2009/aug/08/shell-country-alphabet-geoffrey-grigson for a review). And here - http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/site/8627/st_peters_church_clyffe_pypard.html for a little more about Nikolaus Pevsner, Geoffrey Grigson, Paul Nash and John Piper. Sophie Grigson (Geoffrey Grigson's daughter) writes about her father in the forward to his book that, "He knew about Roman roads, poets and the countryside, Sheila-na-gigs and shooting stars. He knew where to find stone-age flints, fossilized sea-urchins, or glow worms in their season. You could ask him about fog-bows or gloops, the work of Richard Jefferies or the workings of windmills, and he'd offer an explanation that took you beyond the obvious." This really is a book packed full of fascinating facts and 'beyond the obvious' sums it up perfectly. A book either to just dip into for an idle half hour or to use as a more serious reference. The entries are arranged alphabetically, beginning with Aber and ending with Zodiacal Light. There are entries on Drove Roads, 'Druidical' Remains, Stukeley, Well-Dressing and Winterbournes, among many, many more. The lengthy entry on Henges and Standing Stones asks the question what they were for, and Grigson argues that they may have been no more than supports for fencing with the spaces between the stones being filled with thorn, hurdles or loose stones - corrals in other words (this suggested back in 1966!). The book is peppered with poems, one of which is by Wordsworth which Grigson has used in his dedication to Colin Banks - Not in Utopia, subterranean fields, - Or some secreted island, Heaven knows where! But in the very world, which is the world Of all of us, - the place where in the end, We find our happiness, or not at all.
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tjj 3606 posts |
Dec 23, 2009, 20:36
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Littlestone wrote: Littlestone wrote: Geoffrey Grigson's 1960s guide to touring the countryside (The Shell Country Alphabet) has been republished (see http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2009/aug/08/shell-country-alphabet-geoffrey-grigson for a review). And here - http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/site/8627/st_peters_church_clyffe_pypard.html for a little more about Nikolaus Pevsner, Geoffrey Grigson, Paul Nash and John Piper. Sophie Grigson (Geoffrey Grigson's daughter) writes about her father in the forward to his book that, "He knew about Roman roads, poets and the countryside, Sheila-na-gigs and shooting stars. He knew where to find stone-age flints, fossilized sea-urchins, or glow worms in their season. You could ask him about fog-bows or gloops, the work of Richard Jefferies or the workings of windmills, and he'd offer an explanation that took you beyond the obvious." This really is a book packed full of fascinating facts and 'beyond the obvious' sums it up perfectly. A book either to just dip into for an idle half hour or to use as a more serious reference. The entries are arranged alphabetically, beginning with Aber and ending with Zodiacal Light. There are entries on Drove Roads, 'Druidical' Remains, Stukeley, Well-Dressing and Winterbournes, among many, many more. The lengthy entry on Henges and Standing Stones asks the question what they were for, and Grigson argues that they may have been no more than supports for fencing with the spaces between the stones being filled with thorn, hurdles or loose stones - corrals in other words (this suggested back in 1966!). The book is peppered with poems, one of which is by Wordsworth which Grigson has used in his dedication to Colin Banks - Not in Utopia, subterranean fields, - Or some secreted island, Heaven knows where! But in the very world, which is the world Of all of us, - the place where in the end, We find our happiness, or not at all. Thanks for that Littlestone ... sounds like my kind of book. I love the quote by Wordsworth which reminded me of those famous William Blake lines (the very essence of shamanism perhaps). To see a world in a grain of sand, And a heaven in a wild flower, Hold infinity in the palm of your hand, And eternity in an hour. William Blake from Auguries of Innocence Happy Christmas. j
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Littlestone 5386 posts |
Dec 24, 2009, 16:29
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And tying a few other threads together, a little more about Grigson here - http://heritageaction.wordpress.com/2009/12/24/meadowsweet/#comments
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Mr Hamhead 1020 posts |
Dec 24, 2009, 20:22
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http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/post/51530/miscellaneous/pelynt_round_barrow_cemetery.html and some more...he was a son of Pelynt and I am a great admirer of his work and Freedom of the Parish is my all time fave read.......check out 'The Painted Caves' if you can find a copy, all about early cave art in France and Spain. Seasons greetings to all Mr H
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Littlestone 5386 posts |
Dec 25, 2009, 08:56
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Mr Hamhead wrote: http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/post/51530/miscellaneous/pelynt_round_barrow_cemetery.html and some more...he was a son of Pelynt and I am a great admirer of his work and Freedom of the Parish is my all time fave read.......check out 'The Painted Caves' if you can find a copy, all about early cave art in France and Spain. Seasons greetings to all Mr H See you posted that back in 2006 Mr H! Grigson's certainly quite a fella! Seasons Greetings to you and all as well. LS
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