spencer
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Re: Joy Division and the uncanny in music
Mar 05, 2015, 02:17
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Thank you for that
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thesweetcheat
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Re: Joy Division and the uncanny in music
Mar 05, 2015, 08:06
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Beautiful writing, thanks for that.
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tk421
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Re: Joy Division and the uncanny in music
Mar 05, 2015, 15:22
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That's lovely writing but so sad.
Thanks for printing the lyrics, I'd always assumed that they were
'where you lust sometimes
after things that never matter...'
which summed up the angst contained within the song.
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tyroneshoelaces
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Re: Joy Division and the uncanny in music
Mar 05, 2015, 16:42
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I like the way you say you almost ended up in England as if it added to the trauma! We're not that bad. ;-)
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aaroneous g
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Re: Joy Division and the uncanny in music
Mar 07, 2015, 03:53
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Couldnt agree more that there is an otherworldly quality to their whole trip, but it was very much intentional. These days, I prefer the infectious prepostpunk of Warsaw to the later dirges, but I guess I've regressed. Other albums with this vibe . . .
Jehovahkill for sure
Walter Wegmuller's Tarot
"Pit of Souls" by Robyn Hitchcock
Tones on Tail instrumentals
Balanese gamelon music
The Creatures "Feast"
All the songs where Crass mixed poetry with sonic collages esp. Reality Asylum
The Mayhem album (recorded before the guitarist killed the bassist!)
Ween "The Pod"
Steroid Maximus
sonic youth "evol"
the last song on The Idiot (which curtis was listening to when he died)
anything by Nurse with Wound, Coil, Current 93, Legendary Pink Dots
Nico and everything she touched
Daniel Johnston, Jandek, and Syd
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vince
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Re: Joy Division and the uncanny in music
Mar 12, 2015, 02:43
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I'd add 'Just for a momet' from Ultravox! 'Systems of Romance' where birds nesting in the studio can be heard chirping in the background. Definitely a Conny Plank champagne moment.
Grateful that I saw JD (B'Ham last gig & Malvern), Neubauten (Halber mensch-era), Swans 85 & 88, Bunnymen several times at their Zenith...big walls of glorious noise all.
I would add Rowland-era Crime & The City Solution, early Bad Seeds & Pornography-tour Cure to that list. Performance as therapy.
Been a very long time since I saw a show that had that kind of an impact - physical as well as aural - rather than just entertaining.
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Fatalist
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Re: Joy Division and the uncanny in music
Mar 12, 2015, 10:40
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I'm currently reading Mark Fisher's (so far excellent) Ghosts Of My Life, which serenipidously has a chapter on JD discussing themes similar to this thread. It's based on this blog post, which is really worth a read: http://k-punk.abstractdynamics.org/archives/004725.html
The book itself is a pleasingly lucid attempt to make sense of 'hauntology', particularly as it applies to music, but also to our culture in general. There's part of me that wonders whether this all isn't just a form of 'alternative nostalgia', but some of the concepts he examines do ring true. The intro, which looks at 'the slow cancellation of the future' via the medium of Sapphire and Steel ;-), is a brilliant piece of writing: http://thequietus.com/articles/13004-mark-fisher-ghosts-of-my-life-extract
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spencer
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Re: Joy Division and the uncanny in music
Mar 12, 2015, 13:29
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I think that there's an overlap with the 'psychedelic music' topic. Can's Tago Mago to me is 'uncanny' in parts, eg Augmn. Also Yoko's Plastic Ono Band, which has increased in my estimation with time. I would add Tangerine Dream's Phaedra, which culminates with the short but spooky and 'other' Sequent C. That record was out on its own when released. Wild card: Richard and Linda Thompson's I Want To See The Bright Lights Tonight, which I have returned to recently, using it as one of the albums I construct melodies too while giving my guitar chops a reboot. Towards the end it goes to some dark places, the guitar at the end of The Great Valerio enough to give me goosebumps.
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Fatalist
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Re: Joy Division and the uncanny in music
Mar 12, 2015, 14:35
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spencer wrote: I think that there's an overlap with the 'psychedelic music' topic. Can's Tago Mago to me is 'uncanny' in parts, eg Augmn. Also Yoko's Plastic Ono Band, which has increased in my estimation with time. I would add Tangerine Dream's Phaedra, which culminates with the short but spooky and 'other' Sequent C. That record was out on its own when released. Wild card: Richard and Linda Thompson's I Want To See The Bright Lights Tonight, which I have returned to recently, using it as one of the albums I construct melodies too while giving my guitar chops a reboot. Towards the end it goes to some dark places, the guitar at the end of The Great Valerio enough to give me goosebumps.
I fell asleep to Phaedra only last night ;-) An album which gets better and more mysterious every time I listen to it.
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Monganaut
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Re: Joy Division and the uncanny in music
Mar 12, 2015, 17:59
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Yeah, I read and enjoyed that book. I think when we're stuck in such stultifying times as we have been since 2008 and before, it's inevitable that we all look backwards to more imagined uplifting/better times, and possibly we find it easy to imagine a past that never was.
When we were kids, to paraphrase Jarvis. 'We we're brought up on the space race, and then expected to clean toiets'.
Society as a whole does seem stuck in a perpetual backward gazing cycle.
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