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Re: a feeling : no really new music can be recorded any more.
Aug 31, 2008, 01:12
IanB wrote:


Lots of great singles in a Nuggets / Pebbles kind-of-a-way but very little evidence of extended creativity unless you count Art Rockers like Wire and Pop Group and Go4. But they were not Punk.


I don't see that as a problem personally. The art of making great 45's is an under-rated one IMO. I don't see why albums are seen as some great Holy Grail and singles their poor relation. The Lines releasing one classic single (White Night) makes them far more important than some shit albums band like Rush as far as I'm concerned. But yeah, it's all opinion!


IanB wrote:



4 Can could play, Magic Band could play, Blockheads could play, Cheap Trick could play, Television could play, Pere Ubu could play. The list is endelss and none of them could have made the music they made without being able to play. Virtually anyone with a career stretching beyond one album can play. Being able to play should be the minimum requirement.



I wasn't suggesting people shouldn't be able to play, which is why I used the term 'technical ability'. Is Keith Levine a 'better' guitarist technically than Clapton? I sincerely doubt it, but I know who I'd rather listen to!

Actually Can are perhaps the best example of what musicianship should be. These are guys who can clearly play, but do they need to ram the point home? No! You don't get Karoli imdulging in some pointless, mindless fretwank. They let their music do the talking, not their musicianship.

IanB wrote:

Taste is the key issue not techncial facility but learning to play gives you choices that the whole monkey-with-typewriter thing does not.



Maybe, but it also makes a lot of musicians make *bad* choices.

IanB wrote:

That's exactly is what got lost in the shuffle when Peel was championing all those no talent, can't sing, can't play, can't write indie acts in the early 80s. A monkey with a Telecaster could get in the Festive 50 circa 1984.


I know you like a good generalisaton, Ian, but who precisely were those monkeys with a Telecaster? There were actually some very decent records in the Festive 50's circa 1984.

(Adopts Lloyd Grossman voice) Let's examine the evidence...

1984...
Smiths - How Soon Is Now
Cocteau Twins - Pearly Dewdrops Drop
The Men They Couldn't Hang - Green Fields of France
Cocteau Twins - Spangle Maker
The Mighty Wah - Come Back
Membranes - Spike Milligans Tape Recorder
New Order - Thieves Like Us
Sisters of Mercy - Walk Away
The Fall - Lay of the Land
Redskins - Keep On Keepin' On
Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds - St Huck
New Order - Lonesome Tonight
Billy Bragg - Between The Wars
Smiths - Nowhere Fast
Sisters of Mercy - Emma
Cocteau Twins - Ivo
Smiths - What Difference Does It Make
The Fall - Creep
Echo and the Bunnymen - The Killing Moon
New Order - Murder
This Mortal Coil - Kangaroo
Cocteau Twins - Donimo
Smiths - William It Was Really Nothing
Smiths - Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now
Frankie Goes To Hollywood - Two Tribes
Unknown Cases - Masimbabele
Very Things - The Bushes Scream While My Daddy Prunes
Smiths - Please Please Please Let Me Get What I Want
Billy Bragg - The Saturday Boy
The Cult - Spiritwalker
Propoganda - Dr Mabuse
Yeah Yeah No - Biased Binding
This Mortal Coil - Another Day
Berntholer - My Suiter
Robert Wyatt - Biko
Smiths - Reel Around The Fountain
Jesus and Mary Chain - Upside Down
Cocteau Twins - Pandora
Flesh For Lulu - Subteraneans
Cocteau Twins - Beatrix
Special AKA - Nelson Mandela
Frank Chickens - Blue Canary
New Model Army - Vengence
The Fall - No Bulbs
Pogues - Dark Streets of London
Hard Corps - Dirty
Echo and the Bunnymen - Thorn of Crowns
Bronski Beat - Small Town Boy
Cocteau Twins - Pepper Tree
Working Week - Venceramos

I probably like 40% of that list!

IanB wrote:


It's like everyone took the most reductive and easily Xeroxed aspects of The Velvets, The Fall or The Smiths tried to make a career out of it without having an iota of the intelligence or charisma. As the classic heckle of the time goes "practice at home".

If only they had.


You'll always get people who copy, whatever the genre. And TBH I'd prefer someone to copy The Velvets than most other bands!
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