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Howburn Digger 986 posts |
Dec 02, 2017, 10:35
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drewbhoy wrote: Howburn Digger wrote: Nicola Surgeon's first move after the Brexit vote was to visit Germany and The Dutch to trade them future access to fish Scottish Waters in return for EU Membership for a devolved Scotland. Jesus. Talk about flogging the last of the Family Silver cheap. Now she's trying to tie the Scottish Fishing Fleet with this garbage (and make no mistake... this one comes from the EU - not Holyrood or Westminster)... https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/849200/Nicola-Sturgeon-SNP-Scotland-fish-industry-Fergus-Ewing-Rural-Economy-Minister The report says Scottish Nationalist Party, who are they? Predictive text programme in whatever software the employee's phone is using I'd imagine. I saw a TV weather person (female) be identified in the TV text ident as an "ex-offender" instead of "Met Office". Exactly. What gives? The BBC said that they were employing text subbers "whose first language was not English". That leads us into a real quagmire.
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tjj 3606 posts |
Edited Jan 17, 2018, 22:14
Jan 17, 2018, 20:54
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An update from the Irish Wildlife Trust and its good news ... http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20180112IPR91630/new-fisheries-rules-add-a-ban-on-electric-pulse-fishing-say-meps New EU rules on how, where and when fish can be caught, were voted on Tuesday. MEPs inserted an amendment to ban the use of pulsed electric current for fishing. The new law - updating and combining more than 30 regulations - would provide for common measures on fishing gear and methods, the minimum size of fish that may be caught and stopping or restricting fishing in certain areas or during certain periods. It also allows for tailor-made measures to be adapted to the regional needs of each sea basin. An amendment calling for a total ban on the use of electric current for fishing (e.g. to drive fish up out of the seabed and into the net) was passed by 402 votes to 232, with 40 abstentions ...
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Howburn Digger 986 posts |
Edited Mar 21, 2018, 19:21
Mar 21, 2018, 19:05
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tjj wrote: An update from the Irish Wildlife Trust and its good news ... http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20180112IPR91630/new-fisheries-rules-add-a-ban-on-electric-pulse-fishing-say-meps New EU rules on how, where and when fish can be caught, were voted on Tuesday. MEPs inserted an amendment to ban the use of pulsed electric current for fishing. The new law - updating and combining more than 30 regulations - would provide for common measures on fishing gear and methods, the minimum size of fish that may be caught and stopping or restricting fishing in certain areas or during certain periods. It also allows for tailor-made measures to be adapted to the regional needs of each sea basin. An amendment calling for a total ban on the use of electric current for fishing (e.g. to drive fish up out of the seabed and into the net) was passed by 402 votes to 232, with 40 abstentions ... The inclusion of an amendment was passed by 402 to 232 (40 abstentions). So please understand that an amendment has been included in a submission for a new law. That new law does not exist. It is a submission. The UK will not have any say in it at all. You must understand that no new law has been passed. A new law "would" provide... blah blah. The new law will allow for regional "tailor-made measures to be adapted to the regional needs of each sea basin". So no total ban on anything. Everything is negotiable on a regional basin-by-basin challenge. "However, it would be possible to deviate from these regional rules, via a regional fisheries multiannual plan or, in the absence of such a plan, via a decision by the EU Commission. Member states could submit joint recommendations to this end, and MEPs ask them to “base their recommendations on the best available scientific advice”." We all know what the "best scientific advice" is regarding anything to do with the Food, Drink and Drug Industry. It is whatever you pay scientists to say. That is... scientists employed by the Food, Drink and Drugs Industries. "There is no evidence that smoking cigarettes can harm blah blah...", "Thalidomide is a perfectly safe blah blah...", "Agent Orange is a relatively harmless weedkiller blah blah...", "We estimate that there will be no significant impact of fish stocks blah monitoring blah..." Our elected members are refusing to take back control of our seas, our fisheries and our national borders (talking about our marine borders here). What on earth makes people think they will do the right thing on pulse fishing. It is all "negotiable". May has already agreed it and Nicola Sturgeon tried to sell Scotland's fishing to the EU the day after the Brexit Referendum. The EU is about making everything "negotiable" for corporations.
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nigelswift 8112 posts |
Mar 28, 2018, 08:35
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/03/23/cod-war-gavin-williamson-readies-gunboats-protect-british-fish/?WT.mc_id=tmgoff_fetch_&utm_source=social&utm_medium=fetch&utm_campaign=qne Gawd help us. It'll be a running sore.
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Howburn Digger 986 posts |
Edited Mar 28, 2018, 20:49
Mar 28, 2018, 20:47
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nigelswift wrote: Gawd help us. It'll be a running sore. People really don't understand how the protection of national boundaries and resources is actually enforced. It is a border AKA "a running sore". You have to enforce it. You cannot put a sign on your front door which reads "Please do not come in and steal my stuff" and then leave your door open and when people come and steal your stuff... simply let them walk out the door with it. Well you can but most people don't want to live like that. It is why there are tills, cameras, security etc in supermarkets. It is why there are landlords and staff in pubs and the optics and pumps are kept on their side of the bar. It is why The Banks put my money in a special box each night and lock it in their safe instead of leaving it by a door open to the High Street. It is why Drug Dealers often keep enthusiastic dogs. It is a dog-eat-dog world out there and some people may be happy to wear neutered poodle-flavoured underwear but not everyone is. Remember one death of a crewman was reported in a ramming during the 2nd Cod War. Many violent confrontations between fishermen and gunboats occured. Is the theft and overt grabbing of the assets, resources and lives of other countries and people a natural state of the hearts of Mankind? Is there nothing we can do? Must we always be victims of the greedy and powerful? No! Of course there is something we can do to protect ourselves! Dr Martin Luther King Junior said in Newcastle, England on 13 November of 1967 "It may be true that The Law cannot make a man love me, but it can restrain him from lynching me - and I think that is pretty important - and so while The Law may not change the hearts of men, it does change the habits of men if it is vigorously enforced." Vigorously enforce the protection of our national assets - or give them away without a whimper. We do have a very expensive Navy but haven't had a Cod War since the 1970's - so what the heck were we paying them to do with all them ships all that time? Just waltz around The World on holidays?
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Sanctuary 4670 posts |
Mar 28, 2018, 22:03
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Howburn Digger wrote: nigelswift wrote: Gawd help us. It'll be a running sore. People really don't understand how the protection of national boundaries and resources is actually enforced. It is a border AKA "a running sore". You have to enforce it. You cannot put a sign on your front door which reads "Please do not come in and steal my stuff" and then leave your door open and when people come and steal your stuff... simply let them walk out the door with it. Well you can but most people don't want to live like that. It is why there are tills, cameras, security etc in supermarkets. It is why there are landlords and staff in pubs and the optics and pumps are kept on their side of the bar. It is why The Banks put my money in a special box each night and lock it in their safe instead of leaving it by a door open to the High Street. It is why Drug Dealers often keep enthusiastic dogs. It is a dog-eat-dog world out there and some people may be happy to wear neutered poodle-flavoured underwear but not everyone is. Remember one death of a crewman was reported in a ramming during the 2nd Cod War. Many violent confrontations between fishermen and gunboats occured. Is the theft and overt grabbing of the assets, resources and lives of other countries and people a natural state of the hearts of Mankind? Is there nothing we can do? Must we always be victims of the greedy and powerful? No! Of course there is something we can do to protect ourselves! Dr Martin Luther King Junior said in Newcastle, England on 13 November of 1967 "It may be true that The Law cannot make a man love me, but it can restrain him from lynching me - and I think that is pretty important - and so while The Law may not change the hearts of men, it does change the habits of men if it is vigorously enforced." Vigorously enforce the protection of our national assets - or give them away without a whimper. We do have a very expensive Navy but haven't had a Cod War since the 1970's - so what the heck were we paying them to do with all them ships all that time? Just waltz around The World on holidays? 10 out of 10 HD.
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Howburn Digger 986 posts |
Edited Mar 28, 2018, 22:41
Mar 28, 2018, 22:39
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Do remember that the 3 main Cod Wars (in the second half of the 20th C) involved The Icelandic Navy, The United Nations, NATO, the US Defense Dept and the Royal Navy. It was serious shit. "Europe" (the Common Market) looked on with great interest in the 60's and 70's (we were not a member state of the Common Market when the first few Wars kicked off). But the Common Market was very interested in the North Sea and the "fishing" territories to the East of Iceland. The Common Market was always interested in expanding territories (you had to sign up to certain other weird things too... which now make sense when you see what happened to our industry and National Assets like Coal, Oil, Gas, Water, Forestry etc). It is a territorial organisation which favours Corporations and is now committed to the "Defence Integration" of a Pan EU Land Army (no doubt a similar Navy) to enforce its ever expanding and financially hollow empire stretching from Ireland's West Coast to Turkey and The Ukraine. Some people are still dreaming that this (ECOSOC, Common Market, The EEC... call it what you will) is about fair prices for cheese farmers... being nice to French Students (I always was anyway)... or getting over Germany and WW2. It is not and it never was.
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nigelswift 8112 posts |
Mar 29, 2018, 09:50
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Currently: "As it stands, under the CFP Europe’s seas are effectively common to the 28 EU member states. The 100 fish stocks that swim in European waters move around, after all, and know no national boundaries. The total number of each species of fish that can be taken from various zones in the EU’s seas each year is settled by the member states on the advice of scientists, to ensure sustainability. Each country has a species-by-species quota they can take from that European haul. The quotas have been fixed since 1983 on the basis of the recorded catches of the various national fleets between 1973 and 1978. According to recent estimates, 33% of the catches of the European fishing fleet are caught in what could soon be claimed as British waters. Belgium’s 402 fishermen and their 65 boats, whose main catch is dover sole, are more dependent on those waters than most." On a practical level there WILL be bad blood on a continuing basis - which is hardly conducive to a reasonable wider settlement or a request for support over Salisbury. Also, we're walking away from rational international co-operation based on scientific advice where sensible compromise is possible and talking about gunboats for Christ's sake. I guess I'm entitled to feel that's shameful.
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Howburn Digger 986 posts |
Mar 30, 2018, 19:18
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nigelswift wrote: Currently: "As it stands... Belgium’s 402 fishermen and their 65 boats, whose main catch is dover sole, are more dependent on those (British) waters than most." On a practical level there WILL be bad blood on a continuing basis - which is hardly conducive to a reasonable wider settlement or a request for support over Salisbury. Also, we're walking away from rational international co-operation based on scientific advice where sensible compromise is possible and talking about gunboats for Christ's sake. I guess I'm entitled to feel that's shameful. No-one is walking away from a rational international co-operation based on scientific advice. There will be a rational understanding of British waters. And that will be understood internationally. Scientific advice will continue from scientists. As before, fleets and boats from other countries will be able to apply to fish British Waters for the appropriate fee and under license. This was always robustly policed, as there has never in the history of Europe been "sensible compromise" when it came to some people and countries appropriating other countries and other people's property. It is called Law Enforcement. It stop people breaking down your door, stealing your telly and punching your children. It looks like Belgium did not actually have a sustainable fishing industry to begin with, it is almost entirely based on fishing British waters. However, like before they can apply for licenses and pay for them. Similarly, EU rules presided over the dismantling of many UK industries. The EU did not shed a tear over a single job, livelihood or community lost in the UK by their actions, rulings and interventions. I shall not weep for the Belgian Fishermen just as they didn't weep for the Scottish Fleets scuttled by EU laws and regulation. Go ahead and feel shameful for the Belgians.
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Howburn Digger 986 posts |
Mar 30, 2018, 20:28
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Just in case anyone is wondering the value of the catches made by the Belgian Fishing Fleet (65 boats) out of British Waters. As a rough guide, a 27 boat fleet from say Gardenstown might land around £100 Million over the year. So the Belgians might be looking at a £250 Million loss in the future. Or they can do what the rest of the world does... and Buy a Fishing Permit from the UK. Easy peasy... but that is not what this is about. British (and particularly Scottish) Pelagic fleets have much higher overheads than those of the Belgian Sole Scoopers. The Belgians want to continue slurping at the easy trough. Recent weirdness towards the Shetland Mackerel Fleet is a prime example of how Brussels and London can (with their fingers in their ears and shouting "La La La" very loudly) use regulation, enforcement and rule-mongering to wring the life out of a fine sustainable fishery. Not only does the Shetland Pelagic Fleet now have to land around 50% of their quota in January alone, but they have to then return at least half of those catches to remote designated landing ports (incurring massive road transportation costs) and some Scottish Processing Plants which cannot cope with the massive glut of Mackerel over those few short weeks. Through constriction, inflexibility and the enforcing of ever more twisted regulation, Brussels and the EU hopes to continue and complete what they started... the total eradication of the UK Fishing Industry to be replaced with Belgian Sole Scoopers and Dutch Pulse Blitzing.
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