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dodge one
dodge one
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Re: More Bono bashing (never enough IMO)
Oct 15, 2010, 14:26
You yourself have offered little beyond NAME dropping here. This subject has been discussed and argued here MANY times before. I don't recall you ever weighing in before. Ian has very effectively defended his position here,and Before. You sir, Have NOT.
Of course though, there are only about 3 people on this site that see the "INDUSTRY" for what it is.....operating at 10% of what it used to thanks to wholesale theft by File-Sharers.
With books and art all being digitized too, it is only a matter of time before Authors and folks with paint brushes just jack it in too.
They aren't called Starving Artists for nothing.
IanB
IanB
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Edited Oct 15, 2010, 16:13
Re: More Bono bashing (never enough IMO)
Oct 15, 2010, 15:09
dodge one wrote:
They aren't called Starving Artists for nothing.


... but they do have the comfort of knowing that their sacrifices are contributing to a war of liberation against consumer capitalism that is being waged largely by criminals and sinecured academics with an old school Marxist axe to grind.

I merrily confess to being self-interested and being self interested it means I also have access to the real numbers that effect real artists who have real careers completely outside the mainstream music industry. Not numbers with the real costs hidden elsewhere in the chain.

Of course if all else fails they can always relocate to Norway (where the floors of music venues are apparently paved with gold) and wave Loopy's report around until someone offers them a government grant.

The reality is this ...

The average wage enjoyed by Norwegian musicians in 2009 including money from grants? £14,500 in one of the most expensive countries to live in Europe and home of the £30 pizza. Last I looked cost of living in Oslo put it in the top dozen world cities ahead of London, Paris, Milan, Rome, New York. Only Zurich, Geneva and Copenhagen were ahead of it in terms of western European centres.

Sales of all recorded music in Norway (digital or otherwise) were DOWN 2008 > 2009.

Live revenues were UP (and skew the numbers) because the major artists in the market are playing a lot more shows to make up their revenues. The number of shows played by, and thus the amount of money form live revenue going to new and emerging artists is DOWN.

In turn collecting society revenues (PRS and MCPS to you and me) are UP because they are collecting from new revenue streams and becasue of the growth of ticket revenues from big shows their 5% take of the gross has increased.

Most of the money from these later two categories are going to the already established artists not the rank and file.

... and God help you if you can't tour.
Loopy Lumbago
Loopy Lumbago
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Re: More Bono bashing (never enough IMO)
Oct 15, 2010, 15:56
You could have a glorious future at Fox News; wild claims without links to sources, pretentious patronizing spiked with doses of national bigotry and pretending temporary illiteracy.

Congratulations! ;oD
dodge one
dodge one
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Re: More Bono bashing (never enough IMO)
Oct 15, 2010, 16:09
Your best ain't much.
Popel Vooje
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Re: More Bono bashing (never enough IMO)
Oct 15, 2010, 16:37
Kid Calamity wrote:
I'm surprised the clouds aren't actually on strike, yet! But you just wait...


I wish the bloody clouds would go on strike - it's not as though they haven't been working overtime in this country for the last three years.
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