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scubi63 463 posts |
Jan 29, 2015, 22:17
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I certainly don't doubt the result I had Mr T but the explanation for the result need to investigated scientifically and repeatable results showing the reason for it, produced. If somebody can produce this (and they may already have) and show that there is absolutely no other reason for it then I would believe that reasoning what ever it is. However, there are many things in this universe that we know exist but don't know why, for example gravity. We know this exists throughout the universe, we know how it behaves and can predict this behaviour, but you ask a scientist what it actually is, what it is made of and what causes it then they are stumped. They may as well say it is a mystical power caused by supernatural forces or even God as those answers are as vague and useful as any others but still the force remains. I suppose what I am trying to say here is that there are things that exist but we can't give a reason for them existing (at the moment) but that doesn't make them supernatural. It just means we haven't developed the technology or method by which we can study and measure them. If divining can be tested, retested and predicted under scientific methods then the cause may not be known but its existence cannot be denied. I hope I explained that clearly if not to the point!! :) Scubi
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Jan 29, 2015, 23:13
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scubi63 wrote: I certainly don't doubt the result I had Mr T but the explanation for the result need to investigated scientifically and repeatable results showing the reason for it, produced. If somebody can produce this (and they may already have) and show that there is absolutely no other reason for it then I would believe that reasoning what ever it is. However, there are many things in this universe that we know exist but don't know why, for example gravity. We know this exists throughout the universe, we know how it behaves and can predict this behaviour, but you ask a scientist what it actually is, what it is made of and what causes it then they are stumped. They may as well say it is a mystical power caused by supernatural forces or even God as those answers are as vague and useful as any others but still the force remains. I suppose what I am trying to say here is that there are things that exist but we can't give a reason for them existing (at the moment) but that doesn't make them supernatural. It just means we haven't developed the technology or method by which we can study and measure them. If divining can be tested, retested and predicted under scientific methods then the cause may not be known but its existence cannot be denied. I hope I explained that clearly if not to the point!! :) Scubi Scubi , I'm not quite sure what you mean by result . If it it is simply the moving of the rods ,then that is par for the course for most people have a go with the rods .But is that dowsing ? I don't believe it is . If it was the experiencing the rods or pendulum moving then there is a simple explanation . Dowsers don't stop there they claim that they can find stuff ,answer questions or that the movement is an indication of subtle energies which they can record . I don't think you made any of those type of claims .
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nigelswift 8112 posts |
Jan 30, 2015, 05:32
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scubi63 wrote: If divining can be tested, retested and predicted under scientific methods then the cause may not be known but its existence cannot be denied. Quite. If you can construct an oversized top hat out of the British Society of Dowsing newsletter and pull it right over your head down to your chin and wander round the Rollrights for an hour and have lots of people observe that your rods always twitch at the same spots and no others then you'll have shown the phenomenon exists and you'll become very, very rich.
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scubi63 463 posts |
Jan 30, 2015, 06:08
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I don't think I mentioned what I was using at the Rollrights and whether its called divining or something else doesn't matter as I was using my experience as an example of something I couldn't explain but happened. :) Scubi
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Jan 30, 2015, 08:57
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scubi63 wrote: I don't think I mentioned what I was using at the Rollrights and whether its called divining or something else doesn't matter as I was using my experience as an example of something I couldn't explain but happened. :) Scubi It doesn't really matter what was used , dowsing is one of the many divinatory practices (and likely to be used at stone circles ), it may have been reading tea leaves , throwing yarrows ,necromancy etc but you said it more or less worked and for a divination to work there must have been some sort of a result that led you to that conclusion .Dowsing is the one type that comes to mind whereby there is an affect that could be considered as the result but it is only the equivalent of looking into the crystal ball ,which we can all do , not seeing the past or future , which some claim .
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tjj 3606 posts |
Jan 30, 2015, 09:52
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tiompan wrote: scubi63 wrote: I don't think I mentioned what I was using at the Rollrights and whether its called divining or something else doesn't matter as I was using my experience as an example of something I couldn't explain but happened. :) Scubi It doesn't really matter what was used , dowsing is one of the many divinatory practices (and likely to be used at stone circles ), it may have been reading tea leaves , throwing yarrows ,necromancy etc but you said it more or less worked and for a divination to work there must have been some sort of a result that led you to that conclusion .Dowsing is the one type that comes to mind whereby there is an affect that could be considered as the result but it is only the equivalent of looking into the crystal ball ,which we can all do , not seeing the past or future , which some claim . I agree with you Tiompan but this isn't a point of view I've always held. In some ways it's about the full circle of living. You start off holding the views imposed on you as a child and sadly not all children have 'good and true' influences. Many are brainwashed by religion, as I was. When you shake of the shackles of religious dogma it is natural to look for something to fill the vacancy - which is why many of us who reach a certain age have traveled several paths of different ideas and belief systems before reaching the plateau of cynicism and unbelief - thank the goddess there are some snowdrops growing there :-)
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