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tjj 3606 posts |
Edited May 06, 2014, 15:12
May 06, 2014, 08:46
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nix wrote: GLADMAN wrote: [ except for the 'I own that' pride bit, what monetary benefit would there be with regards owning the mountain? Quite. Not much I think - and hope. In the case of the Macleods, there was the line of history stretching back. No one would want to break that lightly. Really these places would probably be better off in national ownership via the NT or Historic Scotland but these organisations do not take every place they are offered by any means because they then incur the expense of owning / running them. To take on the repair of Dunvegan, originally they required everything - and it would have been somewhat of a shame if the fairy flag became just another item with a government label on it, rather than a treasure passed down in the stewardship of a family / clan! Speaking as an English person who loves Scotland, its islands and its mountains, I have only a small insight into the deep sense of pride in the ancient clan system which lays claim to its heritage. I can understand the problems around historic castles which probably need to be maintained by organisations like Historic Scotland. In England there are instances where the National Trust has taken over a historic house (with garden/land) but the family continue to live there. Mountains are a different matter though - stewardship rather than ownership feels more apt though the cost of that stewardship (ie path maintenance etc) should be borne nationally rather than by families. I just don't get that individuals/families can 'own' mountains and islands as they still seem to. I will never get that they can be sold to the highest bidder for any reason at all.
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drewbhoy 2557 posts |
Edited May 06, 2014, 22:20
May 06, 2014, 22:18
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tjj wrote: nix wrote: GLADMAN wrote: [ except for the 'I own that' pride bit, what monetary benefit would there be with regards owning the mountain? Quite. Not much I think - and hope. In the case of the Macleods, there was the line of history stretching back. No one would want to break that lightly. Really these places would probably be better off in national ownership via the NT or Historic Scotland but these organisations do not take every place they are offered by any means because they then incur the expense of owning / running them. To take on the repair of Dunvegan, originally they required everything - and it would have been somewhat of a shame if the fairy flag became just another item with a government label on it, rather than a treasure passed down in the stewardship of a family / clan! Speaking as an English person who loves Scotland, its islands and its mountains, I have only a small insight into the deep sense of pride in the ancient clan system which lays claim to its heritage. I can understand the problems around historic castles which probably need to be maintained by organisations like Historic Scotland. In England there are instances where the National Trust has taken over a historic house (with garden/land) but the family continue to live there. Mountains are a different matter though - stewardship rather than ownership feels more apt though the cost of that stewardship (ie path maintenance etc) should be borne nationally rather than by families. I just don't get that individuals/families can 'own' mountains and islands as they still seem to. I will never get that they can be sold to the highest bidder for any reason at all. Tend to agree with that. I can understand the ownership of castles, big houses and even large farm estates but ownership of mountains and lochs even islands baffle me. Surely the costs to look after natural things should be borne nationally. Makes me wonder what will happen after the upcoming political situation, could be a lot of upheaval coming whether it's yes or no.
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grufty jim 1978 posts |
Edited May 07, 2014, 17:05
May 07, 2014, 17:05
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GLADMAN wrote: ... so except for the 'I own that' pride bit, what monetary benefit would there be with regards owning the mountain? Well, give it another couple of tory administrations and I'm sure people will be strip-mining the things after the fracking has been completed. And hey, I've no doubt a profit can be made by turning all those stone circles into gravel for the construction industry. I mean, they cost money to upkeep... they're nothing more than the geohistorical equivalent of benefit scroungers!
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tomwatts 376 posts |
May 07, 2014, 17:05
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I seem to recall there being a notch in the eastern end of Blencathra that lines up between Castlerigg and Long Meg.....
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tomwatts 376 posts |
May 07, 2014, 17:07
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Many years ago I went up Blencathra, don't recall anything prehistoric on there at all...
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tiompan 5758 posts |
May 07, 2014, 18:24
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tomwatts wrote: I seem to recall there being a notch in the eastern end of Blencathra that lines up between Castlerigg and Long Meg..... Draw a line between between Long meg and Castelrigg and it misses Blencathra completely .
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GLADMAN 950 posts |
May 07, 2014, 22:54
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grufty jim wrote: GLADMAN wrote: ... so except for the 'I own that' pride bit, what monetary benefit would there be with regards owning the mountain? Well, give it another couple of tory administrations and I'm sure people will be strip-mining the things after the fracking has been completed. And hey, I've no doubt a profit can be made by turning all those stone circles into gravel for the construction industry. I mean, they cost money to upkeep... they're nothing more than the geohistorical equivalent of benefit scroungers! For balance you only have to look at the Labour heartlands of South Wales to see how ancient monuments fare under those administrations. Heads they lose, tails they lose.
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harestonesdown 1067 posts |
May 09, 2014, 02:09
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Not on the wind up here, but why does it matter who owns it ? Any new owner will still be ruled by our law, access will still be available. I don't see the problem.
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tjj 3606 posts |
Edited May 09, 2014, 09:00
May 09, 2014, 08:56
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Local people, including Chris Bonington, have started a campaign to buy Blencathra in an attempt to stop it being bought as a 'trophy purchase'. They need to raise 2.1 million pounds and have started Facebook & Twitter campaigns. The group said they hoped to hand over Blencathra to the National Trust if the campaign was successful. Good Luck to them! http://www.grough.co.uk/magazine/2014/05/07/twitter-and-facebook-groups-aim-to-raise-cash-to-buy-blencathra Quote: The Buy Blencathra campaign said: “Our opportunity in 2014 is to purchase Blencathra and donate it in perpetuity to the nation as lovers of the mountains, as a fitting mark of respect of 100 years since the start of World War One, and recognition of the sacrifices of so many men and women so that we could enjoy the freedoms from which we benefit today. “Donation to the nation would mean no further sale in the future. “This proposal has a precedent. In 1923 members of Fell & Rock Climbing Club purchased 3,000 acres of land and donated it in to the nation in memory of their fallen members. “That land included Lingmell, Great End, Allen Crags, Green Gable, Great Gable, Kirk Fell and other peaks to the East and West of Styhead Pass.”
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tjj 3606 posts |
Edited May 09, 2014, 09:44
May 09, 2014, 09:43
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https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/friends-of-blencathra?bucket&source=facebook-share-button&time=1399586318
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