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bladup
bladup
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Edited Mar 02, 2013, 22:46
Re: Trethevy Quoit in danger
Mar 02, 2013, 22:45
nigelswift wrote:
OK, I get the message!

But going back to the stability issue, if you're concerned that the EH engineer needs to reconsider maybe your best bet is to get a friendly structural engineer to contact him?


Mulfra's also cut [lots] on the underside of the capstone and would slot onto the uprights perfectly because of it, But i'm sure you've seen that Roy. and of course Zennor as well.
harestonesdown
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Re: Trethevy Quoit in danger
Mar 02, 2013, 22:49
Sanctuary wrote:
harestonesdown wrote:
Sanctuary wrote:
thesweetcheat wrote:


Ah yes, thanks Alken.


Didn't know the tump had been reopened !
I give "em" enough stick so have to give credit where it's due here, spiffing work.
On the other hand, shouldn't Trethevy be fenced off before it kills someone ? It looks like it easily could and that would be my immediate priority.


The EH engineer didn't think so Geoff reckoning they see much worse apparently!



Well it's on their heads, or more likely someone elses. There's absolutely no way i'd let any of my loved ones near the thing though.
Sanctuary
Sanctuary
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Re: Trethevy Quoit in danger
Mar 02, 2013, 22:52
nigelswift wrote:
OK, I get the message!

But going back to the stability issue, if you're concerned that the EH engineer needs to reconsider maybe your best bet is to get a friendly structural engineer to contact him?


I wasn't being intentionally awkward Nigel but I'd like to keep some things back for obvious reasons. As it is I'm making it sound like a book sell but the fact is it's come at the time the quoit has come under threat and it was important to mention it as this situation goes on all over the shop!
Re the engineer, yes a good idea, but I don't have or know any friendly ones. It was pointed out to me that EH engineers are highly skilled, far more than your bog standard engineer because they are used to seeing really dodgy archaeoligical structures that seem to defy all logic and almost won't fall so they tend not to overeact.

So there! :-)
Sanctuary
Sanctuary
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Re: Trethevy Quoit in danger
Mar 02, 2013, 23:02
bladup wrote:
nigelswift wrote:
OK, I get the message!

But going back to the stability issue, if you're concerned that the EH engineer needs to reconsider maybe your best bet is to get a friendly structural engineer to contact him?


Mulfra's also cut [lots] on the underside of the capstone and would slot onto the uprights perfectly because of it, But i'm sure you've seen that Roy. and of course Zennor as well.


Yep zennor has some beauties but nobody ever considered them as being important.
tiompan
tiompan
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Re: Trethevy Quoit in danger
Mar 02, 2013, 23:13
Sanctuary wrote:
tiompan wrote:
Sanctuary wrote:

Pic 5 shows why it hasn't slid off and for some reason not mentioned over the years...keying points...and they called themselves researchers!

Other than...Trethevy had a HUGE scare in the past and is not now as it is was then prior to that scare. The only mystery left is why all the antiqueries of the past have not sussed it out.



Roy , apart from the two blokes going on about the light coming through the hole and various other points , who were these "researchers " and what was there to "suss out " ?


Researchers was probably the wrong word to use George, but those that have written up on the quoit in the past, who must have researched it as well presumably before passing comment or putting stuff in print.
Anyone spending time at the quoit should soon suss out that it was very unlikely to have looked like it is now on first build but they seem to have gone down the same path as others before them and just copied each others work and didn't seem to be prepared to make claims which they couldn't substantiate for fear of being made to look foolish.
I on the other hand can say what I like and am prepared to be challenged once my Tome is out. But I can promise you that I believe I have made a good fist of it and won't be ridiculed through lack of careful consideration. If I'm wrong I'm wrong but people will always have a chance to come up with their own ideas which of course will also be open to question.


Maybe anyone who has written about it in the past didn't believe that it has been modified since first build . If they had believed so there was nothing to stop them mentioning it either .
Sanctuary
Sanctuary
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Re: Trethevy Quoit in danger
Mar 02, 2013, 23:16
harestonesdown wrote:
Sanctuary wrote:
harestonesdown wrote:
Sanctuary wrote:
thesweetcheat wrote:


Ah yes, thanks Alken.


Didn't know the tump had been reopened !
I give "em" enough stick so have to give credit where it's due here, spiffing work.
On the other hand, shouldn't Trethevy be fenced off before it kills someone ? It looks like it easily could and that would be my immediate priority.


The EH engineer didn't think so Geoff reckoning they see much worse apparently!



Well it's on their heads, or more likely someone elses. There's absolutely no way i'd let any of my loved ones near the thing though.


Three days ago a class of school kidz visited. Poor buggers must have been numbed to the bone it was so cold!
bladup
bladup
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Re: Trethevy Quoit in danger
Mar 02, 2013, 23:18
Sanctuary wrote:
bladup wrote:
nigelswift wrote:
OK, I get the message!

But going back to the stability issue, if you're concerned that the EH engineer needs to reconsider maybe your best bet is to get a friendly structural engineer to contact him?


Mulfra's also cut [lots] on the underside of the capstone and would slot onto the uprights perfectly because of it, But i'm sure you've seen that Roy. and of course Zennor as well.


Yep zennor has some beauties but nobody ever considered them as being important.


I'd say the mulfra one is probably the most worked, it's had a huge amount of stone broken off the underside so it fits neatly on it's uprights.
Sanctuary
Sanctuary
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Re: Trethevy Quoit in danger
Mar 02, 2013, 23:22
bladup wrote:
Sanctuary wrote:
bladup wrote:
nigelswift wrote:
OK, I get the message!

But going back to the stability issue, if you're concerned that the EH engineer needs to reconsider maybe your best bet is to get a friendly structural engineer to contact him?


Mulfra's also cut [lots] on the underside of the capstone and would slot onto the uprights perfectly because of it, But i'm sure you've seen that Roy. and of course Zennor as well.


Yep zennor has some beauties but nobody ever considered them as being important.


I'd say the mulfra one is probably the most worked, it's had a huge amount of stone broken off the underside so it fits neatly on it's uprights.


Yes I've got some good pix of that Paul. I wonder where the missing side flanker ended up... any thoughts cos it's pretty barren up there isn't it?
bladup
bladup
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Re: Trethevy Quoit in danger
Mar 03, 2013, 00:05
Sanctuary wrote:
bladup wrote:
Sanctuary wrote:
bladup wrote:
nigelswift wrote:
OK, I get the message!

But going back to the stability issue, if you're concerned that the EH engineer needs to reconsider maybe your best bet is to get a friendly structural engineer to contact him?


Mulfra's also cut [lots] on the underside of the capstone and would slot onto the uprights perfectly because of it, But i'm sure you've seen that Roy. and of course Zennor as well.


Yep zennor has some beauties but nobody ever considered them as being important.


I'd say the mulfra one is probably the most worked, it's had a huge amount of stone broken off the underside so it fits neatly on it's uprights.


Yes I've got some good pix of that Paul. I wonder where the missing side flanker ended up... any thoughts cos it's pretty barren up there isn't it?


Remember the old drawing of Zennor with one end on one single stone, It may have been like that, the one stone been blasted has such an effect on the whole thing or maybe it just smashed under the weight of the capstone, there is big lumps of a broken stone on site, but that stone wouldn't have being as big as the others if you put the bits together, but if i had to put my money on it, it would have been pretty much the same as Chun, but saying that the single stone idea stands up because on site i can prove the capstone would have being tilted not flat like it at first looks like it would have been and if the single stone was smaller the remains of it are still there on site [but broken up].
Sanctuary
Sanctuary
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Edited Mar 03, 2013, 01:12
Re: Trethevy Quoit in danger
Mar 03, 2013, 00:40
bladup wrote:
Sanctuary wrote:
bladup wrote:
Sanctuary wrote:
bladup wrote:
nigelswift wrote:
OK, I get the message!

But going back to the stability issue, if you're concerned that the EH engineer needs to reconsider maybe your best bet is to get a friendly structural engineer to contact him?


Mulfra's also cut [lots] on the underside of the capstone and would slot onto the uprights perfectly because of it, But i'm sure you've seen that Roy. and of course Zennor as well.


Yep zennor has some beauties but nobody ever considered them as being important.


I'd say the mulfra one is probably the most worked, it's had a huge amount of stone broken off the underside so it fits neatly on it's uprights.


Yes I've got some good pix of that Paul. I wonder where the missing side flanker ended up... any thoughts cos it's pretty barren up there isn't it?


Remember the old drawing of Zennor with one end on one single stone, It may have been like that, the one stone been blasted has such an effect on the whole thing or maybe it just smashed under the weight of the capstone, there is big lumps of a broken stone on site, but that stone wouldn't have being as big as the others if you put the bits together, but if i had to put my money on it, it would have been pretty much the same as Chun, but saying that the single stone idea stands up because on site i can prove the capstone would have being tilted not flat like it at first looks like it would have been and if the single stone was smaller the remains of it are still there on site [but broken up].


I've always thought that the Borlase drawing didn't look right Paul. That rear stone propping up the capstone looks remarkably slender at the business end doesn't it and far too inferior to carry that massive weight. His drawing was in 1769 yet in 1754 Cyrus Redding is supposed to have copied it(eh?) and shows a thicker support!
In 1857 Pentrsath's is totally different showing the capstone much lower and the facade stones in place which Borlase's never showed, neither did Redding's.
I'm confused and going to bed!!
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