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Steve M
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Re: Silbury Hill trespassers
Jan 12, 2013, 12:16
There was someone up there yesterday lunchtime as I drove past too!
BTW the stiles have gone.
bladup
bladup
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Edited Jan 12, 2013, 12:38
Re: Silbury Hill trespassers
Jan 12, 2013, 12:36
Steve M wrote:
There was someone up there yesterday lunchtime as I drove past too!
BTW the stiles have gone.


It's pretty constant isn't it? and that's a start regarding the stile, I last saw them [to be honest - used it] in June, Are you sure? [i'm sure you are though] i'm talking about the stile right by Silbury [Avebury side], that guy you took a photo of the other day looked a little old to be jumping over the fences, but you should know been so close.
harestonesdown
1067 posts

Re: Silbury Hill trespassers
Jan 12, 2013, 12:42
nigelswift wrote:
Yes, but I don't think a compromise is needed but a consensus. I'd suggest one has emerged, and it's this:

1. Some people think it's OK to climb because their individual action is harmless (and they're right)

2. Most think it's not OK to climb because the cumulative damage is harmful (and they're right)

3. The photos have emphasized how right group 2 is, so there's a growing view that whatever can be done to get most of group 1 to join group 2 should be.

4. It's mostly about better notices and it's really up to EH to address that issue. As someone who, in his time, put up dozens of notices there because they hadn't put up enough, and had them all removed by them without them adding to their own, I don't think there should be a request for them to do it but a public clamour.


One of the problems is people travel hundreds, and in some cases thousands of miles to Avebury, with their mind set on climbing Silbury, and it's these people who wont heed the signs as it'll probably be their only visit to the WHS and they see it as being acceptable as it'll be a one off life event, the thought of potential damage and keep off signs take a back seat in the excitement, and disappointment isn't on the agenda. Of course there will be other more local that believe they have a right to climb as i did, in fact the only reason i don't go up anymore is out of respect to VBB, if it weren't for his personal words and his obvious love of the hill i'd climb it again without thought, and the problem is i doubt you can get across the message in such a personal heart felt way with signs.

So the only solution imo, stick VBB there 24/7 to intercept the climbers. :)
harestonesdown
1067 posts

Re: Silbury Hill trespassers
Jan 12, 2013, 12:49
Sanctuary wrote:
with no reason for that to change.


Agreed.
Just bringing a bit of reality here Roy as signs wont work imo. I've spoke to dozens of people on their way to climb and nothing will stop them, in fact i tried to stop a friend going up last year but he wouldn't have it, indeed he went back twice more despite my words, people are drawn to it like a magnet and sensibility goes out the window.

Just to touch on sponsored signs, i believe the "hippies" for want of a better word will tear those down in no time due to the perceived sullying of their temple/sacred hill.
harestonesdown
1067 posts

Re: Silbury Hill trespassers
Jan 12, 2013, 12:55
nigelswift wrote:


Personally, I would be against renovating and throwing open the main path as that would result in 500x more people going up and a commensurate increase in erosion.


I agree.
I guess it would throw up safety problems on the A4 too at busy times, both lay-bys are often full (WKLB and Silbury) so if the "proper" Silbury car park is full too people will pull up on the dodgy bend, i've witnessed it myself, along with people doing 3 point turns. ! eeeeekk.
Sanctuary
Sanctuary
4670 posts

Re: Silbury Hill trespassers
Jan 12, 2013, 13:00
harestonesdown wrote:
nigelswift wrote:
Yes, but I don't think a compromise is needed but a consensus. I'd suggest one has emerged, and it's this:

1. Some people think it's OK to climb because their individual action is harmless (and they're right)

2. Most think it's not OK to climb because the cumulative damage is harmful (and they're right)

3. The photos have emphasized how right group 2 is, so there's a growing view that whatever can be done to get most of group 1 to join group 2 should be.

4. It's mostly about better notices and it's really up to EH to address that issue. As someone who, in his time, put up dozens of notices there because they hadn't put up enough, and had them all removed by them without them adding to their own, I don't think there should be a request for them to do it but a public clamour.


One of the problems is people travel hundreds, and in some cases thousands of miles to Avebury, with their mind set on climbing Silbury, and it's these people who wont heed the signs as it'll probably be their only visit to the WHS and they see it as being acceptable as it'll be a one off life event, the thought of potential damage and keep off signs take a back seat in the excitement, and disappointment isn't on the agenda. Of course there will be other more local that believe they have a right to climb as i did, in fact the only reason i don't go up anymore is out of respect to VBB, if it weren't for his personal words and his obvious love of the hill i'd climb it again without thought, and the problem is i doubt you can get across the message in such a personal heart felt way with signs.

So the only solution imo, stick VBB there 24/7 to intercept the climbers. :)


He'd need one of my patented 3 speed walking sticks to catch them :-)
harestonesdown
1067 posts

Re: Silbury Hill trespassers
Jan 12, 2013, 13:00
bladup wrote:
tjj wrote:
nigelswift wrote:
"you cannot ban the public on the grounds that the hill is being damaged"

The "consensus" here is not to "ban the public" but to better explain the damage problem to them and appeal to their better nature. If they are going to say "well some achaeos and the occasional film crew and official Druid goes up therefore I'm going to as well" I'd suspect they are looking for cover to do what they intended to anyway.

Personally, I would be against renovating and throwing open the main path as that would result in 500x more people going up and a commensurate increase in erosion.


My stance on this in the past has always been to 'ban' or rather educate visitors not to walk on Silbury, now after reading all the posts in this thread I've learnt that Silbury is not going to collapse and is in no imminent danger other than surface erosion (which is happening all the time to the Henge banks). I still think people should be educated not to walk up as that clearly is what is most beneficial for the monument and the best way to do this is information boards explaining why.

Perhaps we should have a new topic to discuss 'what does Silbury mean to you' ... why for example does the official Druid need to go up there when Silbury can be appreciated (venerated even) from so many other high vantage points nearby. For myself, it is far more than an ancient mound of grass covered chalk - hard to put into words.


That's certainly one of the problems, you just self appoint yourself as "keeper of the stones" Ha ha and they'll let you up, give them money -they'll let you up, look after the wildlife - they'll let you up, I do agree with lots that's been said [and how nice we're been] but do you [apart from the people who live around there] realise just how many people go up there, in the summer there are people pretty much continuously up there [there was even someone when Steve M took the photo the other day - it's all the time], the signs are as clear for all languages as they can be [it's a picture of someone climbing with a red line though or a red circle with a white line though] and then people see the steps over and it confuses them and pretty much encourages them up, getting rid of the stiles for a start would stop most, i can't believe nobody mentions the stiles [there's even more than one].



Paul, you keep referring to these steps, i've never seen them though i've walked round the base of the hill many times. ?
nigelswift
8112 posts

Re: Silbury Hill trespassers
Jan 12, 2013, 13:03
Some will never heed signs it is true but the better the signs are the fewer hardliners there will be, and there IS room to improve the signs.

One thing the signs could do is show a few images from about 1 minute 35 seconds in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aszkz_vifUo which amounts to a close-up of the damage done by the "new" path. Outrageous really, and that was in Summer. Not many people wouldn't "get it" that they shouldn't add to that.
harestonesdown
1067 posts

Re: Silbury Hill trespassers
Jan 12, 2013, 13:05
Sanctuary wrote:
harestonesdown wrote:
nigelswift wrote:
Yes, but I don't think a compromise is needed but a consensus. I'd suggest one has emerged, and it's this:

1. Some people think it's OK to climb because their individual action is harmless (and they're right)

2. Most think it's not OK to climb because the cumulative damage is harmful (and they're right)

3. The photos have emphasized how right group 2 is, so there's a growing view that whatever can be done to get most of group 1 to join group 2 should be.

4. It's mostly about better notices and it's really up to EH to address that issue. As someone who, in his time, put up dozens of notices there because they hadn't put up enough, and had them all removed by them without them adding to their own, I don't think there should be a request for them to do it but a public clamour.


One of the problems is people travel hundreds, and in some cases thousands of miles to Avebury, with their mind set on climbing Silbury, and it's these people who wont heed the signs as it'll probably be their only visit to the WHS and they see it as being acceptable as it'll be a one off life event, the thought of potential damage and keep off signs take a back seat in the excitement, and disappointment isn't on the agenda. Of course there will be other more local that believe they have a right to climb as i did, in fact the only reason i don't go up anymore is out of respect to VBB, if it weren't for his personal words and his obvious love of the hill i'd climb it again without thought, and the problem is i doubt you can get across the message in such a personal heart felt way with signs.

So the only solution imo, stick VBB there 24/7 to intercept the climbers. :)


He'd need one of my patented 3 speed walking sticks to catch them :-)



Could you incorporate a cattle prod too. ? :)
Sanctuary
Sanctuary
4670 posts

Re: Silbury Hill trespassers
Jan 12, 2013, 13:07
harestonesdown wrote:
Sanctuary wrote:
with no reason for that to change.


Agreed.
Just bringing a bit of reality here Roy as signs wont work imo. I've spoke to dozens of people on their way to climb and nothing will stop them, in fact i tried to stop a friend going up last year but he wouldn't have it, indeed he went back twice more despite my words, people are drawn to it like a magnet and sensibility goes out the window.

Just to touch on sponsored signs, i believe the "hippies" for want of a better word will tear those down in no time due to the perceived sullying of their temple/sacred hill.


That's why I favour the reinstatement of the path Geoff. You know what it's like, bloody hard work scrambling up the sides when you can easily walk up a path. Even an idiot would realise that and take the path route if he/she didn't have to hide around the back any longer!
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