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nigelswift 8112 posts |
Aug 06, 2012, 20:01
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bladup wrote: i know my rights i don't have to tell anybody,[for them to put them in some draw somewhere and then get lost], i,ve never moved a thing, most finds are from ploughed fields and i'm been shown where people used to live, you have metel detectorists digging and wrecking all over and you say this to me, you want me to leave it for the next person to pick up---like you would......you've got as pompous as him now. I'm afraid all that simply shows being pretty hostile towards book-learning doesn't make you well informed. I won't go on in detail about why you should report finds but suffice to say - "i know my rights i don't have to tell anybody" - no-one said you do. It's voluntary. (But socially responsible.) "for them to put them in some draw somewhere and then get lost" No, you get a receipt and they're given back. I wouldn't mind betting not one in a ten thousand has ever been lost by PAS. "most finds are from ploughed fields" So what? Precise spatial data is still valuable. "you have metel detectorists digging and wrecking all over and you say this to me" Actually, 30% of detectorists DO report their finds and are therefore doing the right thing to a greater extent than you!
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bladup 1986 posts |
Aug 06, 2012, 20:04
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tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: i rollocked somebody for been rude and saying my opinion wasn't as important as his and because i was told i was wrong because a collection of books told him i was wrong, if it was from his own experience i wouldn't have said a thing, it was like having a load of books rammed down your neck, i speak from experience not books, and even when i did speak from burls and barnetts [as i have read these] books i had that rammed back down my throat as well, If you are talking about my comments your wrong again , you seem incapable of reading and understanding even when it gets pointed out a second time . The comment was "You might like to think your opinion might be as valid as anyone else's , but if your opinion is wrong , in this case the continually unaddressed "Stone circles have nothing left in them " it is not ." For the second time , note the use of valid not important and the qualifier . For countless posts you avoided facing up to that error now you are laying the blame on Burl and Barnatt , why didn't you own up to that from the start . Opinion is wrong-----who says? it could be right!! Have you failed to notice the stream of refutations ? It only needs one example to show it is wrong , there are countless examples . In your opinion!! honestly not mine, i mean this, i am not winding you up, we come from such different places ,mindsets and ways of learning that we would probably never agree, you see i've always been shit academically , this is balanced with something else, i do not know [pastlives?] were the knowledge comes from but i trust it with my life- this is the reason why i believe so much and you will never change my mind on what we have been talking about[ you could on other stuff], it's a past live thing you see, and better than books, we can't even meet in the middle as we wouldn't agree where it was!!!!
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bladup 1986 posts |
Aug 06, 2012, 20:15
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nigelswift wrote: bladup wrote: i know my rights i don't have to tell anybody,[for them to put them in some draw somewhere and then get lost], i,ve never moved a thing, most finds are from ploughed fields and i'm been shown where people used to live, you have metel detectorists digging and wrecking all over and you say this to me, you want me to leave it for the next person to pick up---like you would......you've got as pompous as him now. I'm afraid all that simply shows being pretty hostile towards book-learning doesn't make you well informed. I won't go on in detail about why you should report finds but suffice to say - "i know my rights i don't have to tell anybody" - no-one said you do. It's voluntary. (But socially responsible.) "for them to put them in some draw somewhere and then get lost" No, you get a receipt and they're given back. I wouldn't mind betting not one in a ten thousand has ever been lost by PAS. "most finds are from ploughed fields" So what? Precise spatial data is still valuable. "you have metel detectorists digging and wrecking all over and you say this to me" Actually, 30% of detectorists DO report their finds and are therefore doing the right thing to a greater extent than you! That last statement is a joke right?? 70% don't because they've probably just wrecked somewhere, i've never even moved a stone just taken off the surface, everything has os numbers , i know where everything comes from and so will whoever ends up with them, i would let people know , but when i deal with people like that it all goes pearshaped, as you well know- they would no doubt tell me something rubbish and i would have to believe them because they're supposed experts and me an idiot, no thanks.
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Edited Aug 06, 2012, 20:27
Aug 06, 2012, 20:22
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bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: i rollocked somebody for been rude and saying my opinion wasn't as important as his and because i was told i was wrong because a collection of books told him i was wrong, if it was from his own experience i wouldn't have said a thing, it was like having a load of books rammed down your neck, i speak from experience not books, and even when i did speak from burls and barnetts [as i have read these] books i had that rammed back down my throat as well, If you are talking about my comments your wrong again , you seem incapable of reading and understanding even when it gets pointed out a second time . The comment was "You might like to think your opinion might be as valid as anyone else's , but if your opinion is wrong , in this case the continually unaddressed "Stone circles have nothing left in them " it is not ." For the second time , note the use of valid not important and the qualifier . For countless posts you avoided facing up to that error now you are laying the blame on Burl and Barnatt , why didn't you own up to that from the start . Opinion is wrong-----who says? it could be right!! Have you failed to notice the stream of refutations ? It only needs one example to show it is wrong , there are countless examples . In your opinion!! honestly not mine, i mean this, i am not winding you up, we come from such different places ,mindsets and ways of learning that we would probably never agree, you see i've always been shit academically , this is balanced with something else, i do not know [pastlives?] were the knowledge comes from but i trust it with my life- this is the reason why i believe so much and you will never change my mind on what we have been talking about[ you could on other stuff], it's a past live thing you see, and better than books, we can't even meet in the middle as we wouldn't agree where it was!!!! Ok you don't accept rational evidence based arguments . That's fine but your problem then is when you meet someone or others with the same attitude who disagrees with you on something that is factual /falsifible , they " know " just as you do .Somebody must be wrong , maybe all , how do decide ?
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bladup 1986 posts |
Aug 06, 2012, 20:36
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tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: i rollocked somebody for been rude and saying my opinion wasn't as important as his and because i was told i was wrong because a collection of books told him i was wrong, if it was from his own experience i wouldn't have said a thing, it was like having a load of books rammed down your neck, i speak from experience not books, and even when i did speak from burls and barnetts [as i have read these] books i had that rammed back down my throat as well, If you are talking about my comments your wrong again , you seem incapable of reading and understanding even when it gets pointed out a second time . The comment was "You might like to think your opinion might be as valid as anyone else's , but if your opinion is wrong , in this case the continually unaddressed "Stone circles have nothing left in them " it is not ." For the second time , note the use of valid not important and the qualifier . For countless posts you avoided facing up to that error now you are laying the blame on Burl and Barnatt , why didn't you own up to that from the start . Opinion is wrong-----who says? it could be right!! Have you failed to notice the stream of refutations ? It only needs one example to show it is wrong , there are countless examples . In your opinion!! honestly not mine, i mean this, i am not winding you up, we come from such different places ,mindsets and ways of learning that we would probably never agree, you see i've always been shit academically , this is balanced with something else, i do not know [pastlives?] were the knowledge comes from but i trust it with my life- this is the reason why i believe so much and you will never change my mind on what we have been talking about[ you could on other stuff], it's a past live thing you see, and better than books, we can't even meet in the middle as we wouldn't agree where it was!!!! First of all I should make clear that I'm not interested in discussing subjective feelings or experiences at prehistoric sites anymore than than what people feel after listening to Beethoven or 50 cent . Ok you don't accept rational evidence based arguments . That's fine but your problem then is when you meet someone or others with the same attitude who disagrees with you on something that is factual /falsifible , they " know " just as you do .Somebody must be wrong , maybe all , how do decide ? No my reality doesn't have to be the same as [any] somebody else's, my reality is my reality and their reality is their reality, we go though life together but all experience things differently, so everybodies reality is unique to them, there are lots of things where i could think one thing and another person something else and both be right, as you know sometimes they might go together to create something more.
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nigelswift 8112 posts |
Aug 06, 2012, 20:38
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"when i deal with people like that it all goes pearshaped" Oh well, I tried. Goodness me, couldn't you just report your finds, you can even do it online, you don't even have to speak to them.
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Aug 06, 2012, 20:43
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bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: i rollocked somebody for been rude and saying my opinion wasn't as important as his and because i was told i was wrong because a collection of books told him i was wrong, if it was from his own experience i wouldn't have said a thing, it was like having a load of books rammed down your neck, i speak from experience not books, and even when i did speak from burls and barnetts [as i have read these] books i had that rammed back down my throat as well, If you are talking about my comments your wrong again , you seem incapable of reading and understanding even when it gets pointed out a second time . The comment was "You might like to think your opinion might be as valid as anyone else's , but if your opinion is wrong , in this case the continually unaddressed "Stone circles have nothing left in them " it is not ." For the second time , note the use of valid not important and the qualifier . For countless posts you avoided facing up to that error now you are laying the blame on Burl and Barnatt , why didn't you own up to that from the start . Opinion is wrong-----who says? it could be right!! Have you failed to notice the stream of refutations ? It only needs one example to show it is wrong , there are countless examples . In your opinion!! honestly not mine, i mean this, i am not winding you up, we come from such different places ,mindsets and ways of learning that we would probably never agree, you see i've always been shit academically , this is balanced with something else, i do not know [pastlives?] were the knowledge comes from but i trust it with my life- this is the reason why i believe so much and you will never change my mind on what we have been talking about[ you could on other stuff], it's a past live thing you see, and better than books, we can't even meet in the middle as we wouldn't agree where it was!!!! First of all I should make clear that I'm not interested in discussing subjective feelings or experiences at prehistoric sites anymore than than what people feel after listening to Beethoven or 50 cent . Ok you don't accept rational evidence based arguments . That's fine but your problem then is when you meet someone or others with the same attitude who disagrees with you on something that is factual /falsifible , they " know " just as you do .Somebody must be wrong , maybe all , how do decide ? No my reality doesn't have to be the same as [any] somebody else's, my reality is my reality and their reality is their reality, we go though life together but all experience things differently, so everybodies reality is unique to them, there are lots of things where i could think one thing and another person something else and both be right, as you know sometimes they might go together to create something more. Why didn't you say that you would be wrong as everything is proved to be wrong eventually , according to you , and together you could make an even bigger wrong ? Ever hear of the three christs of Ypsilanti ?
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Aug 06, 2012, 20:44
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nigelswift wrote: "when i deal with people like that it all goes pearshaped" Oh well, I tried. Goodness me, couldn't you just report your finds, you can even do it online, you don't even have to speak to them. What are these finds ?
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texlahoma 891 posts |
Aug 06, 2012, 20:46
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Sanctuary wrote: nigelswift wrote: I wish I was him, I'd know more. He wishes he was me as he wouldn't be getting all this abuse from you! "opinions DO NOT HAVE to be backed up or proved right to be valid" I agree if by "to be valid" you mean "to be an entitlement". However if you mean "to be accepted as true" or even "to be accepted as likely to be true" I don't - unless of course some convincing evidence is offered. Then the listener is entitled to weigh it and decide. " i did back it up though" I disagree. A collection of artefacts don't indicate you were led to them by intuition. BTW if they came from scheduled sites you shouldn't really take them and if they didn't you ought to report them. (Who knows, they might end up in a dreaded book and people may learn from them!) I know one thing that is 100% correct.....that Texlahoma never expected his original thread to gain 199 replies (and still counting!!) :-) You're quite right there
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bladup 1986 posts |
Aug 06, 2012, 20:48
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nigelswift wrote: "when i deal with people like that it all goes pearshaped" Oh well, I tried. Goodness me, couldn't you just report your finds, you can even do it online, you don't even have to speak to them. It's probably something i'll do when i'm older, i'm only 38, so i've got lots to do yet, when my legs are gone and i'm stuck indoors hopefully in another 38 years i'll do it then, rest easy it WILL happen one day.
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